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U.S. to dismantle system tracking Atlantic currents that are at risk of collapse

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Post by kergonath »

hattmall wrote: post #159
mothballed wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US could/can, they're just not willing to undergo the mass casualties it would take to put boots on the ground and put those boots up the ass of the people controlling Hormuz. Which absolutely cannot be achieved purely by air.

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> Forget US casualties. The US is concerned with minimizing Iranian casualties.

I can’t help but notice how closely this mirrors Russian talking points. According to them, the war is not finished only because the Russian military fights with their arms tied to avoid Ukrainian casualties. It is about as credible in Iran as it is in Ukraine.

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Post by Balinares »

hattmall wrote: post #159
mothballed wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US could/can, they're just not willing to undergo the mass casualties it would take to put boots on the ground and put those boots up the ass of the people controlling Hormuz. Which absolutely cannot be achieved purely by air.

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Meanwhile down here in the real world the US double-tapped a primary school.

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Post by mrtksn »

tdb7893 wrote: post #75

What really puts all of this into perspective for me is I work in academia and one of my friends works for a defense contractor. He told me the maintenance cost per flight hour of F-35 was a bit more than $40k, which is significantly more than I make in a year as a grad student. It's crazy basic science is what's been the focus of so many cuts while it's so cheap.

The cuts that don't make much economical sense are ideological, its because they need to give something to that part of the coalition. Somewhere someone is having an erection when hears about these cuts and say something like despite everything supporting Trump was worth it after all.

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Post by nixon_why69 »

kortilla wrote: post #287
nixon_why69 wrote: post #249

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> project influence, stabilize international trade, or even remotely protect a territory from an enemy that isn't concerned with civilian casualties. We just failed to do all of those things quite visibly. Iran made a choice not to escalate to destroying desalination capabilities and that's why a lot of Saudis and Emiratis are still alive. It's not because we protected them.

Because they didn’t want the retribution that would follow. That’s what protection looks like. Assured destruction when it’s not mutual is pretty motivating.

Sure, but we still couldn't have stopped them with our vaunted carrier-based power projection, or with our exhausted ABM capabilities.

US Naval doctrine has been a paper tiger ever since that Millenium Challenge exercise.

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Post by subscribed »

Rekindle8090 wrote: post #48
spankibalt wrote: post #41

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77,302,580 Americans made it happen. 87,037,184 voting-elligible Americans sat it out.

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Somehow you blame these who not voted for the rapist and a cheat?

(but I agree with you, Kamala wasn't a good candidate, at least in this moment, and the DNCs response to Israel genocide in Gaza might as well sink it alone).

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Post by kombookcha »

doodlebugging wrote: post #280
kombookcha wrote: post #268

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I'm guessing you need permission to go deploy a bunch of buoys off the coast of Oregon, and that permission may be difficult to obtain for foreign research projects in the current US political climate.

I think you may have a hard time monitoring the Atlantic current if your sensors are all deployed off the coast of Oregon so it seems to me that this administration would jump at the opportunity to deploy those sensors off of the Oregon coast. Then they could tell the people that they are carefully monitoring the situation and can't find a problem. Nothing to see here, literally.

The system measures other currents too, as detailed in the article. The coast of Oregon was just one of the places mentioned.

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Post by dozerly »

port11 wrote: post #288
benzible wrote: post #216

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I wouldn't assume that this is about cost cutting. If the goal were saving money, the cheapest option by far would be to leave the hardware in the water and just stop funding the monitoring. Instead the plan is an expensive operation to send ships out to extract 900+ instruments from under two miles of ocean. It's clear that this is driven by performative climate denialism and a pro fossil fuel stance. The Trump admi…

But… why? Climate change is very much real and even stubborn deep-right voters like my father now ‘believe’ in it. Ok, some people make some cash. But wouldn’t they anyway? I don’t understand this need to keep pandering to a minority and to destroy ecosystems.

Which part of trump making billions of dollars from oil oligarchs is the confusing bit? His incentive structure is clear.

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

jimbob45 wrote: post #115
jazzypants wrote: post #104

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If we have military hegemony, then why can't we open the strait of Hormuz?

After all has been said about the ages of Biden and Trump, it’s ironic that having presidents with experience living through Vietnam and the Soviet-Afghan war has been so useful for their two terms.

But the difference between Vietnam and Iran is that Trump had a plan to get out of Vietnam.

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Post by fc417fc802 »

fttx_ wrote: post #273
hattmall wrote: post #182

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I'm sorry, but this is like the most ignorant take ever. The world is essentially one life supported regime away from having a level of stability in the middle east that has quite literally never been achieved. Iran and their regional proxies have been almost the only source of middle eastern discontent in the last two decades. The stability of the region is already vastly improved from any time in the past and the d…

Okay so Iran is responsible for the insurgency in Iraq, the Arab Spring, AQAP in Yemen, Islamic State, the ongoing situation in Syria, proxy wars between Saudi Arabia and the UAE and much more… I think it’s extremely clear that the major contributor to instability in the Middle East over the past two decades has been the United States.

> over the past two decades

1953 was somewhat more than two decades ago.

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Post by watwut »

kortilla wrote: post #287
nixon_why69 wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> project influence, stabilize international trade, or even remotely protect a territory from an enemy that isn't concerned with civilian casualties. We just failed to do all of those things quite visibly. Iran made a choice not to escalate to destroying desalination capabilities and that's why a lot of Saudis and Emiratis are still alive. It's not because we protected them.

Because they didn’t want the retribution that would follow. That’s what protection looks like. Assured destruction when it’s not mutual is pretty motivating.

It was more son that they have space to escalate. It was strategic decision. They did attacked those when their plants were attacked.

US does not have capability to destroy them. It can make lives of civilians hard, as it tried, but foreigners attacking civilians dont make regimes fall.

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