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Post by olyjohn »

mppm wrote: post #280
pmontra wrote: post #158

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> Microsoft is the enemy This made me smile, sadly. I remember when Microsoft was the new darling not many years ago, because of VS Code and WSL and the apparent goodwill about open source. Some people and I, who lived through all of Microsoft, were skeptical and believed that it was only another embrace phase of their EEE pattern. I'm not sure if they are extinguishing something but it turns out that they are squeez…

> I remember when Microsoft was the new darling not many years ago, because of VS Code and WSL I was genuinely puzzled by that, actually. I thought it quite obvious from the start that Nadella is no longer interested in Windows and other Microsoft software as products and will be moving them to thin cloud wrappers, but for some reason people were really optimistic about the "New Microsoft".

I remember going to Linuxfest NW some years ago. Microsoft had a big booth there... "MICROSOFT I couldn't believe how many people sucked that shit up.

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Post by olyjohn »

jmward01 wrote: post #185
isityettime wrote: post #170

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Most Microsoft purchases at a large organization are rational only because of how much the company has already sunk into Microsoft. Microsoft's strategy had never been centered on their software succeeding on its intrinsic merits. Consequently the best part of not buying Microsoft's shitty software is that it spares you from "having" to buy their (other) shitty software.

> Microsoft's strategy had never been centered on their software succeeding on its intrinsic merits. Microsoft used to build the best stuff. I'm not sure when that ended, I just remember the decline. I used to -jump- at release day for their latest OS version. Their dev tools were considered top tier and I used to like Word. Now every interaction I have with a MS product is painful and my trust in them is so far nega…

XP was their first OS that required an activation code. Ever since then it's been downhill and things have only gotten worse.

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Post by paozac »

boramalper wrote: post #289
paozac wrote: post #269

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Mac office suite is moving to the subscription model, too

Are you referring to Apple Creator Studio? https://www.apple.com/apple-creator-studio/

Yes, some features now require a subscription - it's clear where this is going

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Post by Rohansi »

ornornor wrote: post #277
gucci-on-fleek wrote: post #215

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> Things like VS Code literally destroy the cottage industry and likely has held back our industry by several decades. VS Code was released in 2015, so even if its initial release somehow completely stopped the entire software industry, it would still not have held the industry back by several decades. > MSFT needs to be at least six separate companies: Windows, Office, GitHub, Visual Studio, Xbox, and Azure. That wo…

> VS Code was released in 2015, so even if its initial release somehow completely stopped the entire software industry, it would still not have held the industry back by several decades. Why not? That’s 11 years, times (say) 5 potential independent editors or IDE that didn’t exist because of VSCode in that time is over 50 years worth of software innovation.

How does the existence of VSCode stop the creation of other editors? The existence of other editors clearly didn't prevent VSCode from being created, so what's different?

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Post by wilg »

ryandrake wrote: post #210
platevoltage wrote: post #199

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You should not be able to shut down the ability to play a game if it cost money to buy.

You should at least have to refund customers when you take away the ability to use a product they purchased.

This is fair for some reasonable time window after purchase. But I think it's okay for things to have a lifespan even if they cost money.

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Post by mft_ »

IFC_LLC wrote: post #50

The best company to do Microsoft in is Microsoft. They are responsible for awesome sales of MacBook Neo.

I disagree. I suspect the vast majority of Neo sales are simply driven by the ability to get Apple-quality laptop hardware for such a low price. As such, the people driving the Neo sales are competing manufacturers who offer cheap nasty plastic underpowered Windows laptops around that price point.

A small minority of buyers may be primarily buying the Neo to escape Windows; but I would argue that if someone is this sophisticated, then they would also be aware that Apple is slowly taking a similar enshittified path with MacOS.

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Post by zarzavat »

ornornor wrote: post #287
zarzavat wrote: post #275

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Apple should make their finance department use Numbers, it would be fixed in no time. I swear nobody at that company has ever opened Numbers, I don't understand how it can be so broken for so long.

It seems to be a pattern with apple apps in my experience. I don’t hate myself enough to have a Mac but I have an iPhone and there are so many bugs in apple supplied apps (mail, safari, iOS itself, iCloud) that apple have known about for years. And yet these bugs are still there with no desire from apple to fix them.

I don't have any inside information so perhaps an ex-fruit can shed some light on it, but speculating it seems that Apple's organizational structure implicitly encodes the waterfall pattern.

Apple has divisions for Design, Engineering, etc instead of divisions for products as is more normal. So sometime 20 years ago someone in the Design department designed a spreadsheet app, and they've been stuck with it ever since because Engineering isn't empowered to say to Design that this UI fucking sucks. Even though the app is otherwise regularly updated.

You see the same with Tahoe, when users report that they can't resize the window because the corner radius is so large that it excludes the hit box, Engineering does their best to move the hitbox, but they are not empowered to make the obvious fix which is to reduce the corner radius because that would be a UI change and those only go through waterfall.

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Post by avazhi »

Kapura wrote: post #24
gchamonlive wrote: post #10

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Maybe it wasn't which is worse, meaning Microsoft despite being in the top 10 most valuable companies in the world can't even get these basic details right. I think assuming this was intentional is actually giving Microsoft the benefit of the doubt tbh.

do you like, not understand how capitalism does to tech

Plenty of tech companies operate capitalistically without intentionally defrauding their customers.
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