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Throwing AI-generated walls of text into conversations

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Re: Throwing AI-generated walls of text into conversations

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Easy solve: "ChatGPT, generate an explanation that's short and concise and won't be interpreted as a slop grenade. Also write it in a way where nobody can tell it's written by AI because everyone thinks they can spot AI, but really if you tell the AI to write it in a way where no one can spot it... it can."

This was a slop grenade btw.

Re: Throwing AI-generated walls of text into conversations

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post #72

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Do you start every response off with "that is a great question"? I don't know any human who does. "that is a great question" is reserved either for really hard questions, or sarcasm. The majority of questions are not great, they are just things the asker needs a simple answer.

That's a great question! Ahem. I remember being advised to do this ~20 years ago when I was going to be answering questions from a group of people. I was told that it's good practice to say something like "that's a great question" every time someone asks anything, as a form of social lubrication, to encourage others to ask questions. I can't say whether it works, and it was advice for a spoken context rather than wri…

I've always seen and used "That's a great question!" and similar vacuous phrases when speaking as a polite way to buy some time while formulating an actual response to the questioner.

Re: Throwing AI-generated walls of text into conversations

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post #234

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Stop using "culture" as a crutch for being inconsiderate.

i think you missed the point. depending on the receiver, different and even opposing things are inconsiderate.

I understood the point, and I think it's a flimsy one. Hiding behind "in my culture" is not a sufficient excuse to hide antisocial behavior.

There are cultures that believe the number of chromosomes you are born with determines your autonomy in society. I think most people on here would reject that framing, even if they're met with the same excuse.

Re: Throwing AI-generated walls of text into conversations

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When I started managing international teams (long ago) the first months were painful for us all because I didn't understand some culturally didn't feel they could tell me 'no'. I was used to American devs that would happily flat out tell me 'I'm not doing that' or calling me out when I was being too phb style oblivious. Made me change my initial one on ones with new team leads to focus on 'how should we communicate'.…

If you were acting in good faith, no reason to feel awful. Some people are stressed out in a group or in the spotlight, no matter what. Some people thrive there and love it. And while different regional cultures may tend one way or the other, one will find direct and indirect personality types everywhere.

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Re: Throwing AI-generated walls of text into conversations

#296

AI was used in writing that article. Know how I can tell? "You asked a simple question. They lobbed a document." " It's a weapon disguised as helpfulness" hello GPT "Use AI to make things clearer, not longer. Let it sharpen your thinking, not replace it." holy slop goddamn

That "weapon" quip from TFA really pisses me off. It implies actual malice on the part of the person copypasting GPT. But people aren't being malicious, they're mostly just clueless. "Weapon", "weaponized" etc sound punchy so they're a safe choice in the AI's slopertoire.

And on the subject of weapons, consider the example of a delayed-action fuze. They're designed to penetrate through the outer defenses of a target, before the warhead detonates deep inside. What might this look like in written form?

Well, you'd start by getting on the reader's side, with shared loathing against some outgroup. Get them to let their guard down. And then at the end:

>Use AI to make things clearer, not longer. Let it sharpen your thinking, not replace it.

You, yes you, the very clever and sophisticated person reading this who is exasperated by slop-grenades, should use AI more. You should use AI to "sharpen your thinking". You use AI, but in a good way. Not like those rubes, who use AI in a bad way.

Use AI. Use AI. Use AI.

Bang!

Re: Throwing AI-generated walls of text into conversations

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post #12

I swear most executives can barely read so you're not doing your career any favors sending them more than 150 characters.

The CEO of one firm I worked at wrote emails totally in bullet point format. Made it much easier to read and you could just reply with: > bullet point response which made life much easier

I developed this habit when I worked in software support. It made me substantially more effective. Sometimes people are reading for the joy of the prose. Sometimes they’re reading because they want to get to the answer. In the latter case, writing that is easily visually parsable is quite valuable.

Re: Throwing AI-generated walls of text into conversations

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post #66

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You do realize that when you have to find a special use case to defend something you are really giving an argument AGAINST casual widespread use of it.

I disagree. It would be a wonderful world where every overseas contractor that I interacted with used the AI tools in this fashion. Even among native speakers, literacy is way down. AI could help with that… if people actually do the work. That’s the real problem, not AI: no one wants to do the work. That is purely a PEBKAC situation.

If you can’t explain it to a human; you can’t explain it to a bot. I’d rather have people just send messages in their native language than correct their broken English with LLMs or send machine translations. At least that way I’d have a record of exactly what they intended to say.

Re: Throwing AI-generated walls of text into conversations

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post #265

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I think you’re wrong in one thing: Reading through meaningless walls of text takes time and effort that I’m not willing to waste. So it’s not just accepting a different culture; it’s not “free”. Reading AI grenades is really stressful (at least for me).

This. The central issue is the bait and switch. The bait: here is a ton of text The historical implication: because there is a lot of it, I put a lot of thought and effort into writing it The new normal: there is ZERO signal about the magnitude of human thought and effort that went into something on the basis of its length ... and what really pisses people off about that: when AIstas intentionally abuse that social c…

I don't think it's a new normal. In my experience a large volume of text rarely has a lot of information to convey. Instead, it's intended to convey the sense that a lot of work has been done.

The consultant mindset set this trend before AI made it all worse.

Re: Throwing AI-generated walls of text into conversations

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I don't think redis existed back when this industry was called IT

I still think IT is more descriptive than Tech. And the doctors at the hospital where I work still call us the "IT people".

Fire is ‘tech’, the wheel is ‘tech’. People using ‘tech’ when they mean ‘computers’ or ‘software’ needs to stop.
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