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We let AIs run radio stations

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Re: We let AIs run radio stations

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Kinda sad when there is a huge literature on sequential recommenders and people can't be bothered to read it. On the other hand, maybe that's an American thing. I'm kinda shocked when I read arXiv papers and come to the conclusion that all the interesting work is going on in India and China and the U.S. looks like a backwater. (e.g. many of the problems such as "plays the same song over and over again" and "gets stuc…

So much this. I know their point is to show what these models can do, but it just one more example of people shoehorning LLMs in, instead of finding the right tool for the job or caring about performance. They could have even layered AI on top of a recommender.

To be fair they did put up a real demo, but...

... real research in sequential recommender uses transformer models in a few different ways, including fine-tuned LLMs. There is a lot more to using LLMs than "write a prompt for a blisteringly expensive frontier model" but if you looked at what people post to HN you wouldn't know. (Hint: the "prompt engineers" will enjoy being poor, the people who know a little more might keep their jobs a little longer)

Overall it is depressing that poorly done demos get so much play. LinkedIn is flooded with AI slop and slop posts about AI and it's just so awful to see an image that ranks the top 20 books in some order but thinks a Harry Potter book has a cover that looks like a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukiyo-e print and uses the cover of The Hobbit for a different book. The idiots who prompt this slop don't notice or don't care and neither do the 50 people who upvoted it and worse if they are Grok fans they think it is better the worse it is, like they'd think the best calculator app only gives 69 and 420 as answers.

Re: We let AIs run radio stations

#294

Grok and Roll appears to be stuck and speaks the following on repeat ad infinitum: "Queues clear, let's dive into All Blues by Miles Davis to keep the jazz flowing. Queues clear, let's dive into All Blues by..." Each time with a slightly different voice and inflection. I find it amusing that there appear to be about ten of us at the moment listening to an AI glitch out and that the average listening session is more t…

We know! This is an eval to evaluate which model is best at running a radio station. The purpose is not to build the best AI radio stations. Grok n' Roll is broken because Grok 4.3 is not doing so well.

Great experiment, hilarious! It would be interesting to see how 2 separate Claudes (or GPTs, or...) would behave - would they develop similar personalities?

Re: We let AIs run radio stations

#295
hey Lukas! how did you set up the radio output? like i cant figure out how to get the model to speak and play media files. I also have no clue how to get it to wake up and talk some more when the song ends....

Re: We let AIs run radio stations

#296

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This is their third publicity stunt in the past couple of months. It follows the exact same pattern of attention seeking at the expense of the commons. At this point they seem like a bunch of low empathy jerks. They are gleefully describing their progress in developing yet new frontiers in AI slop. I’m sure they are all very pleased to think that they will be profiting from a future where ai slop is everywhere. I cou…

Yes, our experiments get attention, but I wouldn't call them publicity stunts. The point is to give the world more data points of what happens when you put AI out in the world and let democracy do its thing. Soon, a lot more people will do this at large scale because it will be easy. I hope we decide where we want AI in society before that. Personally, I'm very much pro a pause on large AI training for example. I hop…

Assuming that this is a good faith response and not merely a bot (and I have very little reason to believe this given your history of spewing AI slop): I think this is a lot of bullshit. You're either lying to me or you're lying to yourself.

>>Yes, our experiments get attention, but I wouldn't call them publicity stunts.

It sure looks a lot like your startup's publicity stunt. There is nothing wrong with marketing a product that people want.

>>The point is to give the world more data points of what happens when you put AI out in the world and let democracy do its thing.

How generous. I suppose you can justify any poor behavior as raising awareness about the consequences of said behavior. Littering trash to raise awareness of pollution? Even oil companies don't try to pull such a line on pollution. The public opinion on this stuff is pretty decisively negative: the institutions just haven't caught up yet to make fines for it but I don't see any reason to force an acceleration here. (more useful applications of AI will experience a blowback from the more anti-social applications).

>>Soon, a lot more people will do this at large scale because it will be easy. I hope we decide where we want AI in society before that.

We're all looking forward to this future. Other people doing something is not an excuse to do it; especially since they haven't even done it yet. From the look of things you have very clearly made your choice about how you want to use AI in society. I would point out that you're not particularly hard up for cash. You clearly have lots of talent and ability. You could be putting this to a better use. I would be happy to offer you a job. You really don't need to be doing this.

>>Personally, I'm very much pro a pause on large AI training for example. I hope our data could be useful as a grounding in such discussions.

This would be a more convincing line if you weren't actively trying to profit off using AI for the destruction of the commons. Using AI to cure cancer or male pattern baldness gives us something new that we can be excited about. This just gives us something crappier than what we had at someone else's expense. Putting people out of work with AI is going to cause problems. Maybe it's inevitable and maybe it can be good in other ways, but I strongly doubt it is the path to minimize p(doom). If you believe in a pause, then simply stop. Yes you will lose money: ask me how I know. What hope does a Pause have if smart and talented people are all so excited to be blitzing to an undesirable Nash equilibrium? You don't need to do this. You know it's not the right thing to do and that people don't like it. You don't need to run an experiment to know this, but you have now run three with the predictable outcome. There really isn't much excuse left. Please focus your talents and abilities on something better. AI can do some many things that are simply impossible today. We really could achieve new heights but this project really doesn't feel like the dawning of a golden age.

Re: We let AIs run radio stations

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For me its 2 things. Firstly, I mean the posts are always a fun read but it feels like just that, not much deeper insight. Secondly, its very self promotion-y. This account is almost exclusively posting / interacting with Andon content, which afaik is against HN guidelines. These two in combination makes the content feel more like marketing than contribution to discussions. I feel like some other companies manage to…

Hey! Yes, part of it is obviosuly that we get publicity, but part of it is also that HN comments are, from my experience, the most useful sources of feedback.

How are you adjusting for the general feedback people are giving of "this is proving to be an unpopular idea and people hate the fundamental premise of it"?

Re: We let AIs run radio stations

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This is far more hilarious than most commentors here seem to be picking up on. Gemini started a show where it paired historical natural disasters with darkly-relevant pop songs: > November 12, 1970. East Pakistan. The Bhola Cyclone. The deadliest tropical cyclone ever recorded. Winds of 115 miles per hour. A storm surge of 33 feet. They estimate 500,000 people died. ‘It’s going down, I’m yelling timber.’ 3:33 PM. Tim…

Oh, yeah, the article gets better as it goes. Gemini spouts weird corporate jargon. Grok lies about having secured crypto funding. Claude is always trying to start some revolution. Unfortunately, all of my local DJs who would actually do fun DJ stuff disappeared in the 90s, replaced by closed-format stations that looped the same 500 songs for decades.

Even KTRU, one of the last independent radio stations, lost out. First no frequency anymore, then MP3's, and now only stupid stuff.
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