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Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Post by watwut »

mschuster91 wrote: post #156
nebula8804 wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Key word being public . People from the industries he operates in were screaming from the rooftops about him for years. Tech people chose to actively ignore their colleagues in automotive and space. I remember the circumstances that led to the creation of /r/realtesla.

> People from the industries he operates in were screaming from the rooftops about him for years. Tech people chose to actively ignore their colleagues in automotive and space. The thing is... SpaceX and Tesla actually delivered something, in the case of Tesla at least until that damn rust bucket. They were (and, with the exception of the rust bucket, still are) miles ahead of the competition. Back when Musk proposed…

> Back when Musk proposed buying Twitter, the site already was in the gutters, there's a reason that place was up for sale. Bugs littered everywhere, reliability issues, the disaster that was the universally hated 2019 redesign, sex spam bots, trolls and propaganda farms running the show

Frankly, bullshit. It worked reliably, extremely so. It had remarkably few bugs too. It was also actually doing way better financially. It was not perfect ... but all the issues you claim it had became massively more worst.

Musk bought it for political reasons, to stomp down on left leaning opposition and networks that were well functioning there. That part was a success, it is a nazi site now and helped Trump win elections.

Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Post by shdh »

2b3a51 wrote: post #9

Reached for comment by TechCrunch, Musk’s lead counsel Marc Toberoff said, “One word: Appeal.” One wonders on what grounds? In the UK, in a civil case like this, the judge I think comments on the likelihood of an appeal avenue once the verdict has been reached.

Two words: “billable hours”

Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Post by david927 »

asadm wrote: post #258

I feel like there still needs to be a penalty to OpenAI here even if that doesn't favor Musk (even though he funded the whole thing). It is still a theft.

My theory is this civil suit was used to expose Sam's (and Greg's) self-dealing and perjury. This was civil, now comes criminal.

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Post by ai-x »

bambax wrote: post #184
granzymes wrote: post #81

Because no one has commented yet on the legal significance: Musk lost today because the jury found that he waited too long to bring his claims. The jury answers only yes/no questions, so we do not know their exact thoughts, but it is likely they determined that the 2019 and 2021 Microsoft deals were too similar to the 2023 Microsoft deal that was the centerpiece of Musk’s lawsuit. Musk could have brought the same law…

I'm unfamiliar with the US legal system but do they really need a jury and a trial to determine whether the claims are barred by the statute of limitations? Couldn't this be decided by a judge before trial?

That's like saying can't the Judge decide who the killer was when he literally saw the video of shooting.

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Post by atom_arranger »

mrhottakes wrote: post #203
atom_arranger wrote: post #137

Aside from the disagreements between these parties, what about the precedent of running a non-profit, and then transferring all IP to a for profit when it’s convenient to do so? I wonder if the government or taxpayers have a case to bring regarding that.

Transactions like that happen all the time and are not problematic if handled legally. Any of the interested parties could have sued over it, but none have.

The interested parties would be taxpayers. I think some groups are trying to look into it.

The issue is that they did R&D as a charity, donations to which are tax deductible, there may also be other benefits to being a charity during R&D but that’s a big one, then once the thing works, setup a for profit, sell ip at “fair value”, get some investment, then things are ready for business.

I read there’s no statute of limitations on a tax issue like this, so I guess it might be hanging over them indefinitely.

I’m not a big taxation and government fan, they’d probably just waste the money anyways. It does seem unfair OpenAI gets to use this loophole though, unless all companies can make their R&D investment tax deductible, and get any other benefits of this setup.

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Post by henry2023 »

DivingForGold wrote: post #182

Musk may have lost round 1, but Musk has a HUGE pile of cash, and Open AI is a borrower from everybody and their brothers. Almost all the principle people left Open AI already.

Musk doesn’t seem particularly good at lawsuits. Remember when he was suing Twitter to get out of having to buy them?

Perhaps he lacks good lawyers, perhaps he just can’t find substance and he’s filling out of spite.

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Post by ericmay »

KaiserPro wrote: post #283
robocat wrote: post #238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why did he need a second 250 billion after the first 250 billion? Makes me think of a inverted Zeno's paradox. Why do you need an extra dollar? I can answer for myself: New Zealand plans to tax the shit out of anyone that has more[A]. You need a fukton more than median wealth to be able to protect yourself against your own government. The type of person that enjoys chasing money doesn't stop. [A] via capital gains ta…

> I can answer for myself: New Zealand plans to tax the shit out of anyone that has more[A]. New Zeeland is an outlier in that it doesn't have capital gains tax. Its not the end of the world to have captial gains tax.

It’s also not the end of the world to not have capital gains tax.

Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Post by dnnddidiej »

ai-x wrote: post #294
bambax wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm unfamiliar with the US legal system but do they really need a jury and a trial to determine whether the claims are barred by the statute of limitations? Couldn't this be decided by a judge before trial?

That's like saying can't the Judge decide who the killer was when he literally saw the video of shooting.

Or like if a piece of evidence was obtained lawfully?

I can understand why people and me included might think they can decide this before trial.

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Post by turtlesdown11 »

mschuster91 wrote: post #156
nebula8804 wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Key word being public . People from the industries he operates in were screaming from the rooftops about him for years. Tech people chose to actively ignore their colleagues in automotive and space. I remember the circumstances that led to the creation of /r/realtesla.

> People from the industries he operates in were screaming from the rooftops about him for years. Tech people chose to actively ignore their colleagues in automotive and space. The thing is... SpaceX and Tesla actually delivered something, in the case of Tesla at least until that damn rust bucket. They were (and, with the exception of the rust bucket, still are) miles ahead of the competition. Back when Musk proposed…

> Back when Musk proposed buying Twitter, the site already was in the gutters

I think you'd be hard pressed to find a single serious person who'd say Twitter is a better product/experience today than prior to the acquisition.

The place continues to bleed users and is the first stop shop for Nazis

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