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Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Post by riknos314 »

palata wrote: post #273

> Rather than age-gating technologies like VPNs, we believe that regulators should address the root causes of online harm by holding platforms to account Honest question: if you tell Pornhub "now you will be fined heavily if you let 10-year old kids access porn", won't Pornhub implement some kind of age verification? How else would the platform "address the root cause"?

Age gating the VPN age gates (pseudo-anonymous) access to 100% of the content on the internet. Regardless of whether or not you agree with it, age gating only the porn subset of the internet is a much smaller restriction.

Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Post by protocolture »

juleiie wrote: post #79
robotswantdata wrote: post #7

1984 was meant to be a warning, not the UK’s digital infrastructure roadmap

1984 is extremely naive. It assumes that people will fight for their freedom and insane measures will be needed to keep them in check. So foolishly optimistic… people can’t wait to give freedom away if only they get a stable job and housing in exchange. Or if it hits these other guys they don’t like at the moment. It’s all much, much less dramatic than Orwell. It is an ordinary, everyday erosion of your rights until…

>It assumes that people will fight for their freedom and insane measures will be needed to keep them in check.

No it doesn't make that assumption? The crazy tricks are for the engaged, for the outer party members. The proles just get bread and circuses.

Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Post by philipallstar »

zimpenfish wrote: post #266
philipallstar wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not lunacy. It's the parents' child, not the state's.

> It's the parents' child, not the state's. And who should look out for the child's interests if the parents can't or won't?

Who decides what the child's interests are?

Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Post by ropable »

mjmas wrote: post #36
ayashko wrote: post #26

Something I learned just recently—the Australian government (surprisingly!) actually recommends VPN usage, they even provide a bit of a guide and how to; https://beconnected.esafety.gov.au/topic-library/advanced-on...

The very same office of the eSafety commissioner that is enforcing age verification for social media. https://www.esafety.gov.au/newsroom/blogs/social-media-minim...

You say that like it's a bad thing. Not everyone thinks so.

Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Post by lyu07282 »

tim333 wrote: post #272
badgersnake wrote: post #30

The UK government does whatever Meta tells them to do. We tax cigarettes because they’re bad for you. Let’s tax algorithmic news feeds.

I'm curious what Meta has changed UK policy wise? I'm a Brit and not heard of such policy changes.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c20qwz9xzr9o

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/reddit-user-uncovers-beh...

Basically Meta wants age verification done by devices, the device makers (apple, google) want it on the platform, two sides who don't want the responsibility. On the other side are hundreds of billions invested in companies that offer age verification to websites (persona, etc.). All of these monied interests generate billions into lobbying/corruption efforts that drive all the legislation across the western liberal "democracies" rn.

Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Post by eastbound »

tim333 wrote: post #271
juleiie wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1984 is extremely naive. It assumes that people will fight for their freedom and insane measures will be needed to keep them in check. So foolishly optimistic… people can’t wait to give freedom away if only they get a stable job and housing in exchange. Or if it hits these other guys they don’t like at the moment. It’s all much, much less dramatic than Orwell. It is an ordinary, everyday erosion of your rights until…

I don't think 1984 is naive and there's maybe a certain naivete in comparing the UK protecting kids from porn to the 1984 type stuff - torture chambers for thought criminals and the like.

Tommy R was thrown feces upon him in a jail cell for 8 months (along with noise torture and losing 15% of his body weight out of food privation). Torture chambers fully exist for thought criminals in UK.

Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Post by mort96 »

ropable wrote: post #295
mjmas wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The very same office of the eSafety commissioner that is enforcing age verification for social media. https://www.esafety.gov.au/newsroom/blogs/social-media-minim...

You say that like it's a bad thing. Not everyone thinks so.

You're right, some people are misguided and think age verification can be done in a way that isn't the death of privacy and anonymity online.

Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Post by tardedmeme »

mort96 wrote: post #298
ropable wrote: post #295

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You say that like it's a bad thing. Not everyone thinks so.

You're right, some people are misguided and think age verification can be done in a way that isn't the death of privacy and anonymity online.

Don't we all hate social media? From that standpoint, anything that makes it hard to use or come with direct negative consequences is good.

Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Post by crowcroft »

Lerc wrote: post #289
danw1979 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. Isn’t effective regulation of dangerous products wonderful.

It is, provided there is a broad consensuss of experts in the field who agree on the danger and what to about it, the government regulates based on that information and that the regulation is effective. Apart from those things, the Australian government did an excellent job.

Who are the experts in the field, and who decides they're experts?

"More doctors smoke camels than any other cigarette".

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