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U.S. DOJ demands Apple and Google unmask over 100k users of car-tinkering app

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Will this turn into be a blow to anyone who gains access to the hardware paid with own money?

Certain car mods have already been illegal for a long time

Not exactly. You are supposed to be emitting certain pollution rates, certain speed limits, keep your car in order. All the rest is the brand convincing you that you need to pay them more for things you already paid, like heated seats. Don't tell me you believe you could've paid less because the heat was off

Re: U.S. DOJ demands Apple and Google unmask over 100k users of car-tinkering app

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What's missing here is the extraterritorial angle. The Cloud Act lets US authorities compel Apple and Google to hand over user data worldwide, including EU residents who assumed GDPR covers them. It doesn't. Apple and Google are US companies, and GDPR Article 48's restrictions on foreign court orders don't apply to them. Those 100k users almost certianly include Europeans with no idea their download history was reachable by the DOJ.

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Yeah, I'd HAPPILY report every single truck rolling coal around me if there was a place to report that information. Hell, I've seen a truck roll coal around cop cars and, obviously, nothing happened. This is just gross privacy intrusion masquerading as "protecting the environment". We don't need 100% compliance to the law and simple prosecution/ticketing of obvious violations would go a long way towards solving the p…

If you want to do something about this, given that we have universal surveillance of license plates anyway: Demand that your local government installs PM 2.5 / 10 monitors on each of their spy cams. They'll easily pick up out-of-spec emissions systems. Join the emissions spikes with the license plates. Take the cars that are two standard deviations above the norm for PM 2.5 / 10 increases after they're spotted by the…

> Demand that your local government installs PM 2.5 / 10 monitors on each of their spy cams

You don't need that. You can just take a picture of a car with black smoke coming out of the exhaust.

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This "car-tinkering app" is used as a glorified GameShark for deleting factory emissions controls, I don't feel sorry for anyone who uses this to roll coal or whatever. Instead of investigating everyone on the list of users of this app, should the government instead ban diesel engines knowing their emissions controls software will be defeated? Should environmental regulations be relaxed? What is really the solution h…

Or, I don't know, enforce current laws on the books and have cops do their job? I've watched traffic code enforcement drop to essentially non-existent numbers largely because apathetical agencies and "officer safety" concerns. I'd rather they go after people actively rolling coal instead of violating the rights of thousands of Americans like me.

The enforcement agencies all want easy ways to perform their enforcement duties.

Enforcing it the hard way by catching people in the act, or even spot checking, is difficult, and takes work and budget.

However, in asking such enforcement work to be made easy, the cost is borne by the rest of the innocents in losing their privacy or rights. Individually, each single instance of such loss is minuscule, but collectively it's a huge loss of rights and privacy - not to mention precedence.

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> The government says it needs this information to identify and interview witnesses who can testify about how the tools were actually used. Why start this whole thing, if you don't already have this information and have people willing to help you as witnesses? Sounds to me they're saying they don't have this already, but why is this investigation happening in the first place then? Rather than finding every user of th…

Yeah, I'd HAPPILY report every single truck rolling coal around me if there was a place to report that information. Hell, I've seen a truck roll coal around cop cars and, obviously, nothing happened. This is just gross privacy intrusion masquerading as "protecting the environment". We don't need 100% compliance to the law and simple prosecution/ticketing of obvious violations would go a long way towards solving the p…

Had too google "rolling coal".

That is insane.

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post #93

This "car-tinkering app" is used as a glorified GameShark for deleting factory emissions controls, I don't feel sorry for anyone who uses this to roll coal or whatever. Instead of investigating everyone on the list of users of this app, should the government instead ban diesel engines knowing their emissions controls software will be defeated? Should environmental regulations be relaxed? What is really the solution h…

Maybe they should ban metal grinders as they allow people to steal things?

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Why not just write it yourself? We can all have ChatGPT regurgitate the same information. You're supposed to add value, editorializing isn't enough. Just like I don't want to look at AI art or listen to AI music, I don't want to read AI written blogslop. The web is now full of shit. What a waste.

Writing it myself would mean doing the research myself. How would I do that? ChatGPT can do it faster at scale. Then the summaries are short enough that cutting any particular part wouldn't make sense. I could re-word it, I guess. Why don't you write all your assembly code yourself? Why do you use a compiler? Why do you generate images, when you can draw them yourself? You're supposed to add value. I don't think prep…

Do the research yourself, the old fashioned way? Search things, write them down, summarize?

The problem with LLMs outputting English is that they're very good at bullshit and it can be really hard to see through the nonsense. The output can be skewed by the model parameters and this can be really hard to spot.

The compiler analogy doesn't work: compilers are (mostly) deterministic and I can verify their output if I wanted to, just ask the compiler to output assembly.

With code generation I can also more or less instantly see if the code is correct or not, because code has less words than human language. The same would apply to images: it would take even less time to see if a generated image is correct or not. That said, I don't use AI for image generation, since I have no use for it.

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Vehicle regulation in the US is piss poor. Here's the full list of states that require all passenger vehicles to be inspected for safety and emissions every year: * New York * Massachussets * Vermont

Utah used to require safety inspections every year, but they eliminated them; there were no noticeable side effects [1]. "Safety Inspections" were generally just a grift for third-party repairshops to collect free money and I couldn't be happier that they are no longer a thing. Be aware that "safety" and "emissions" are different. Emissions testing is still required biannually for newish vehicles and yearly for older…

"Free Money" from what? If they don't need repairing, they can't get it?

We have yearly inspections in the UK (twice yearly for any "public" carrying, like a taxi). If your vehicle is in working order you only pay the £39 fee

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Why should that be required? Let people do as they will and impose penalties for problematic behavior (including negligence). I lived in a state with safety inspections and AFAICT it was little more than yet another disproportionate speed bump for the poor and a complete waste of time for society at large. I do see the merit of inspecting larger trailers (such as for boats) once a year given the combined increased li…

I live in a country with mandatory (mostly-)yearly car inspections (and all other motor vehicles). Many time you don't even know that there's an issue and they only find it during the inspection. Handbrake works only on one side, normal brakes don't work properly on one of the wheels, there's play in one of the joints or tie rods, etc. You park, pull the handbrake, you have no idea that if you parked on an incline, y…

UK here, so yearly "MOT" inspections.

Last year the handbrake was like you say, only on one side. And the seatbelt mount was weak.

This year it uncovered two gaping holes near the suspension struts.

I can't imagine not having that inspected at least yearly!

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