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Re: Gmail registration now requires scanning a QR code and sending a text message

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Yeah! I can't believe people know basics about cartels, trusts and dumping.

It does feel like a lot of very intelligent people here basically start at a first principles belief in property rights, and discover or dispute all of the rights and protections put in place over centuries to patch up the issues that occur when that philosophy meets reality. It reflects poorly on our education systems that these apparently weren't covered or were unconvincing when presented. Or maybe it's just a ref…

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Re: Gmail registration now requires scanning a QR code and sending a text message

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If you haven't created a Gmail or an Instagram account in a while you might be surprised how aggressive it is. For instance, try doing this without verifying your phone.

Both can ban you right away because they had to ramp up their anti-spam protections. Pretty much everyone already have an account, so most people creating new ones are just that, spammers.

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> But it's expensive, complicated and time-consuming to maintain - and both a source of and recipient of endless waves of spam and scams. It's an endless pile of data to hold onto, FOREVER, as well. They should let others do email. The more email service providers we have the better it is for everyone

No one is stopping anyone offering an email service, surely every IS does that?

The pain in the ass around deliverability to gmail is the reason I don't run my own anymore.

Re: Gmail registration now requires scanning a QR code and sending a text message

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If you haven't created a Gmail or an Instagram account in a while you might be surprised how aggressive it is. For instance, try doing this without verifying your phone. Both can ban you right away because they had to ramp up their anti-spam protections. Pretty much everyone already have an account, so most people creating new ones are just that, spammers.

Or they are kids / young people, who didn't need email before, and now need it for school / college.

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> and certainly aren’t obligated to provide it for free And I'll stop you here. It's less than obvious that there's no obligation. If you provide a critical service that folks rely on at a price less than your cost, you drive out competition, and it's a critical part of your own business model, dropping the service without warning is IMO on the border of what Google should be allowed to do.

Yeah! I can't believe people know basics about cartels, trusts and dumping.

Except gmail is hardly a cartel, etc. I've never had a gmail account.

Re: Gmail registration now requires scanning a QR code and sending a text message

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People complain a lot about Gmail, but honestly I kind of understand Google's plight here. They've essentially gotten roped into maintaining a huge chunk of internet infrastructure, for free . If they ever shut it down the whole world would end up rioting because it's so widely used. But it's expensive, complicated and time-consuming to maintain - and both a source of and recipient of endless waves of spam and scams.…

> They've essentially gotten roped into maintaining a huge chunk of internet infrastructure, for free. I’ll stop you here. Google offered it for free and, at the time, offered such an high amount of mail storage for free it sounded insane. At the time, my ISP gave me a 25MB or 50MB inbox and that was considered pretty decent, when Google was trying to get people in with 1-2GB. They absolutely have a right to take ant…

Also they make it really difficult to mass delete stuff. I'm basically stuck paying for their storage because I don't really have the skills to self host (but I'm working on it!)

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This is an underrated distinction. Sadly, the line is so much more blurred now than even when I was a kid in the 90s. There are so many businesses now which exist mainly to cheat you, operating at the very edge of what’s technically legal, and relying on their customers not really understanding the full terms of the deals they’re agreeing to. It’s sickening.

Can you post an example? Thank you.

Every payday loan company, the "we buy houses for cash" companies, rent-to-own companies, title loan companies, the entire buy-now-pay-later ecosystem, the timeshare industry.

Seriously dotancohen, get your people under control.

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> They've essentially gotten roped into maintaining a huge chunk of internet infrastructure, for free What you mean for free? First, they have all the data they get from you. They now track you even when you are not using your phone. They can/could know if you are doing your number 2 regularly or not only. They control how the internet moves. Https? Sure can enforce. Trackers, etags ? Why not. They sell every single…

You're correct that it absolutely isn't free but the gall of Google to, once they have all the data, to turn around and demand additional payment for continuing to store all the data they sought out and that they've resold many times over - it's shameless greed at this point. And it's isn't even like they're struggling with profitability, either. It'll be hilarious if this forces common folks to switch back to IMAP s…

Google just sent me an email saying my google account was deleted due to lack of use for 2 years.

Re: Gmail registration now requires scanning a QR code and sending a text message

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> They've essentially gotten roped into maintaining a huge chunk of internet infrastructure, for free. I’ll stop you here. Google offered it for free and, at the time, offered such an high amount of mail storage for free it sounded insane. At the time, my ISP gave me a 25MB or 50MB inbox and that was considered pretty decent, when Google was trying to get people in with 1-2GB. They absolutely have a right to take ant…

> and certainly aren’t obligated to provide it for free And I'll stop you here. It's less than obvious that there's no obligation. If you provide a critical service that folks rely on at a price less than your cost, you drive out competition, and it's a critical part of your own business model, dropping the service without warning is IMO on the border of what Google should be allowed to do.

I should have been more clear that I feel bad for the users.

I don’t have much empathy for Google.

Re: Gmail registration now requires scanning a QR code and sending a text message

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I’d honestly expect to see regulatory intervention if they tried this.

In a better time I would expect the government to step in a acquire this fundamental service and fund it with tax money. Right now? The only intervention I would expect is a massive subsidy to pay Google to keep providing it, while also letting them continue to spy on everyone's mail (which is a crime, but not if the mail is on a computer, I guess).

Do you believe that if the government provided email, that the government wouldn't keep track of everything you did on it?
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