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Re: Getting arrested in Japan

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Post by panny »

saagarjha wrote: post #283
panny wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Completely normal. Happens all the time. My plane was delayed this week because of an unruly passenger on the plane before mine at the gate. My plane had to be diverted into another state while they sorted him out. The day after I landed, I was walking to get something to eat, and there was a bum fight at the road entrance of a Target. They had a disagreement about who could panhandle there. On the way home, some guy…

People do not normally run out onto the tarmac and get sucked into the engine of a plane. This made the news because of how rare it is.

>Friday’s episode at Denver’s airport came one day after a Delta Airline employee died on Thursday night at Orlando’s international airport when a vehicle struck a jet bridge next to an airplane with passengers onboard, as the local news outlet WESH reported.

>Meanwhile, on 3 May, a United Airlines plane arriving in Newark, New Jersey, from Venice, Italy, clipped a delivery truck and a light pole, which in turn struck a Jeep. Only the delivery truck driver was injured, but the plane was damaged extensively and the NTSB classified the case as an accident while also opening an investigation.

From the article. "Rare" occurrences... three times a week. In the meantime, Japan runs an airport for 30 years and never even loses one piece of luggage. The US is not on the same level as Japan. Any insistence otherwise is just cope.

https://www.npr.org/2024/05/24/nx-s1-4951240/this-japanese-a...

Re: Getting arrested in Japan

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Post by saagarjha »

panny wrote: post #291
saagarjha wrote: post #283

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People do not normally run out onto the tarmac and get sucked into the engine of a plane. This made the news because of how rare it is.

>Friday’s episode at Denver’s airport came one day after a Delta Airline employee died on Thursday night at Orlando’s international airport when a vehicle struck a jet bridge next to an airplane with passengers onboard, as the local news outlet WESH reported. >Meanwhile, on 3 May, a United Airlines plane arriving in Newark, New Jersey, from Venice, Italy, clipped a delivery truck and a light pole, which in turn struc…

You can't be serious: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Aviation_accidents_an...

Re: Getting arrested in Japan

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Post by panny »

saagarjha wrote: post #292
panny wrote: post #291

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Friday’s episode at Denver’s airport came one day after a Delta Airline employee died on Thursday night at Orlando’s international airport when a vehicle struck a jet bridge next to an airplane with passengers onboard, as the local news outlet WESH reported. >Meanwhile, on 3 May, a United Airlines plane arriving in Newark, New Jersey, from Venice, Italy, clipped a delivery truck and a light pole, which in turn struc…

You can't be serious: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Aviation_accidents_an...

Thank you for bolstering my argument.

Re: Getting arrested in Japan

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Post by lukas099 »

mvdtnz wrote: post #236
barrkel wrote: post #233

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She was released; that means the charge was a mistake, and it caused damage to an innocent person.

That is not necessarily what it means.

Ah, so an innocent person wasn’t necessarily tortured for almost a month. That makes me feel better

Re: Getting arrested in Japan

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Post by commandersaki »

swat535 wrote: post #290
commandersaki wrote: post #287

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Suppose it was CSAM in the mail, do you think a delicate touch is still warranted? The context matters.

It doesn't matter what the charges were , she was cleared from it. Doesn't Japan have innocent until proven guilty laws? All this story does it makes me want to avoid traveling to Japan. I don't fancy getting picked up for jay walking and tortured. What an awful system..

* All this story does it makes me want to avoid traveling to Japan. I don't fancy getting picked up for jay walking and tortured.*

Sure if you naively believe the hyperbole then don't go. Been 3 times, you'll know when you're in trouble, and you will have a chance to correct it before it goes further.

Infact according to her video she did have a chance, and she didn't bother.

Re: Getting arrested in Japan

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Post by prokopton »

nayuki wrote: post #174

I enjoyed learning from this video years ago, which introduces the topic of how you are treated when arrested in Japan: * Paolo fromTOKYO - "Why Japan Arrests Foreigners" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1ZLGqL1FMo (14m23s) [2019-08-16]

Is every video about being arrested in Japan sponsored by SquareSpace?

Re: Getting arrested in Japan

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Post by 9x39 »

bigiain wrote: post #262
kelnos wrote: post #169

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It doesn't matter what her charge was. Even (alleged/suspected) serial murderers and rapists should be treated humanely and not experience psychological torture. And also remember this treatment is at the point where they haven't been charged with anything, haven't been tried in court, and haven't been convicted. The US's justice system is certainly lacking in many, many ways, but wow, this is barbaric. And it's desi…

> The US's justice system is certainly lacking in many, many ways, but wow, this is barbaric. I am lucky enough to have a lot of middle aged middle class white male privilege. I wonder how many minority people in the US have much worse opinions and life experience of the justice system than you're implying? I wonder how many people consider typical ICE arrests and detention to be at least as "barbaric" and "psycholog…

>the private for-profit prison system

92% of the prison system is government-run, no need to exaggerate.

>conclude the US justice system and policing are designed for "high conviction rates, regardless of guilt or innocence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conviction_rate

You can see that's not a particularly useful metric to evaluate a legal system (and in the US, states, tribal, federal differ).

Americans ostensibly have the bill of rights in their favor, while Japan doesn't. Sure, you can't be indigent if you expect a vigorous defense from the state, but your odds are good if your case isn't hopeless, and many are - the incidence of plea deals typically reflects this.

Re: Getting arrested in Japan

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Post by 9x39 »

machomaster wrote: post #217
kQq9oHeAz6wLLS wrote: post #128

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It's quite rare. Except at Waffle House.

And at Walmart. And at McDonalds. And at Burger King. And at... Bacically, it is not rare at all. Especially among certain American demographic.

Changing customer sentiment is definitely part of it.

Another lens is to look at is state violence rates: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territ...

Re: Getting arrested in Japan

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Post by 9x39 »

pessimizer wrote: post #141
wisty wrote: post #33

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In the US, it's seen as a God-given truth that no innocent person should ever be punished. Partly because it was founded (in part) by oppressed minorities fleeing states where the were constantly harassed by authorities. (Irony - the US's approach hardly fixed the issue). But is it OK to risk punishing a few innocent people if it greatly reduces the amount of suffering caused by crime?

> In the US, it's seen as a God-given truth that no innocent person should ever be punished. In the US, just as in Japan, as soon as you are arrested they begin punishing you. If there were a real assumption of innocence, jail would be pleasant and comfortable, and if you were WFH you wouldn't miss a day. There is a material presumption of guilt, even if there's some sort of ethereal theoretical presumption of innoce…

>if there were a real assumption of innocence, jail would be pleasant and comfortable, and if you were WFH you wouldn't miss a day.

At some point, you have to hold the person and figure out if they're a danger or not. Not everything is an unpaid ticket, and jail is probably unpleasant because everyone involved is unpleasant. Has it ever been otherwise?

>pay a bond which you will never get back (because you are too poor to pay bail.)

Why would you not get your bond back if you went to court as required? It would be forfeit if someone stops showing up to hearings, which is a requirement of their bond. It's to get them to return to court instead of just fleeing.

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