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Re: Motherboard sales 'collapse' amid unprecedented shortages fueled by AI

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coldtea wrote: post #282
jjav wrote: post #274

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You can make those rackmounted servers as loud or as quiet as you like. For home, optimize quiet (and low power consumption). Even though my server rack is in the garage I try to keep it quiet. A couple of them are fanless Atom-based and others have fans but they are built to be quiet. If you need hardware that generates a lot of heat, go with 4U for large fans that spin slow, thus low noise. The "wow, leafblowers su…

> Atom-based Not exacty enterprise grade servers then?

Supermicro sells Atom-based SKUs with enterprise features like a BMC+IPMI, 10Gb SFP+ ports, ECC memory, SFF-8087 ports, chassis intrusion detection, etc.

Re: Motherboard sales 'collapse' amid unprecedented shortages fueled by AI

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Post by aidenn0 »

craftkiller wrote: post #158
hx8 wrote: post #59

PC is the last major open platform. While other platforms like Android and becoming less open, PC in general is becoming more open than it's been in a long time as heavy MacOS/Android/iOS competition is creating a focus on open standards and all-time high strong Linux support gives people a place to land and tinker/hack to their heart's content. I think we will see an abandonment of consumer grade PC components and i…

> I already have home sever rack, and would recommend it for other people. I just want to warn people who haven't heard server-grade hardware in-person before: this is only for people who can put a server rack somewhere unpopulated like a garage or basement. Servers will make you think "wow, leafblowers sure are quiet". They are not suitable for apartment dwellers such as myself. When I was setting up my 1U before sh…

A 4U case is basically just a midsized tower with rack ears (or rails).

A 1U case runs the gamut in noise from vacuum to jet-engine.

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Post by esperent »

trashface wrote: post #206
cryo32 wrote: post #145

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Buying whole 2020 era PCs here for around $200 mark. As long as you don't need crazy CPU or GPU grunt, which is most people, they are almost indistinguishable from a new one. Windows 10 LTSC + Firefox + uBlock Origin on an i5-9400 feels faster than my M4 Pro MBP. Probably same or better on Linux.

Windows 10 LTSC isn't a realistic option for most people.

You can install windows 11 on an i5 9500 though and it'll run fine if you clean it up a bit.

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Post by ryandrake »

WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #241
deathanatos wrote: post #225

I'm one of the collapsed sales. My desktop had died, and I had been thinking about rebuilding it. But RAM prices went to the moon, so I instead opted to repair the desktop. (It's only ~15 years old.) It's alive, again, and performs well enough. The HDD in it is pretty old (not as old as the rest of it, it's on its second drive; 15 years would be quite impressive!), and still works for now, but there too, prices are s…

I've been replacing older systems with last gen hardware off ebay. I'm typing this on a Thinkpad T14 i5-1250p 512GB 32GB WWAN I picked up last week for $370 all in. Since this mess started, I've bought dozens of unused and like-new systems for clients. All with modern hardware - in the $250-$600 range.

Craigslist still exists, too. Found a really nice ~10 year old HP workstation for $100 and crammed as much DDR3 ECC RAM (still cheap) and the bets Ivy Bridge CPUs (cheap) I could find into it, and it shreds.

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Post by sockbot »

tayo42 wrote: post #41
iFred wrote: post #24

High end resins and epoxies are in a critical supply shortage right now. I suspect that there are going to be some serious resource driven PCB shortages in the very near future.

Is anything not in a shortage?

Labor

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Post by ericd »

donmcronald wrote: post #264
ericd wrote: post #254

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I think it’s probably mostly what your sibling comment said, it’s very cheap to sow division and discord now. I get what you’re saying, and there definitely are people who are angry about the US slipping, and standards of living reverting to the mean a bit, and looking to blame someone. The True Believer came out in the aftermath of WW2 and tried to analyze why it happened, and laid out that the most dangerous group…

> The True Believer came out in the aftermath of WW2 and tried to analyze why it happened, and laid out that the most dangerous group of people aren’t the ones who’ve been poor for a long time, but those who were recently poor, who remembered a more prosperous time. Is it just people trying to sow division when you're potentially describing an entire upcoming generation? > People need to have some perspective. You’re…

I think the commenters with new accounts and comment on only political topics and not technical ones on Hacker News are a bit suspect. Not saying that there aren't a lot of disaffected youths out there, there totally are, and I'm agreeing with you with that bit about The True Believer, I just have a suspicion that a lot of these new politics-focused accounts aren't real. But maybe there are real young people who come to HN just to discuss politics, I guess tech has become more political over the last few decades.

I didn't mean that most people are going to go out and drop $1,000 and run their own models locally, I meant that it's pretty good evidence that they're not permanently locked out of owning access to AI, if that's a priority to them.

I agree with most of the rest, I'm a strong proponent of all sorts of safety nets, and higher top tax rates/cap gains tax rates. But it's also important to maintain perspective. A lot of what's happened is that citizens of very rich countries are maybe seeing their standards of living decrease somewhat while many more people globally are seeing their standards of living skyrocket. Visiting family in China every 5 years, the difference is astounding every time.

Upvoted that comment, fwiw, you answered in good faith, not sure why it's downvoted.

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Post by red75prime »

wg0 wrote: post #243
red75prime wrote: post #143

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> what are its shortcomings that are impossible to overcome because physics won't allow. Have you intended to say "because reasons"? There should be a long chain of reasoning connecting "LLMs will never be able to strictly follow instructions written in natural language (as agreed by 90% consensus of experts or some such, because you can't formally verify adherence to informal natural language instructions)" and "phy…

Because it is next token predictions and there is no logical part into that. It is like saying I cannot find any research paper on the fact that car collusion might cause fire because gasoline is in the tank. But the fact is that there's plenty of literature out there on hallucination and unreliability of LLMs already. If you know otherwise, let us inform Dario before next funding round.

Next token prediction is a pretraining objective that doesn't tell anything about behavior and activation structure of the resultant network. The literature that explores a hallucination problem has little to do with your claim about physical impossibility.

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Post by _factor »

greycol wrote: post #219
amluto wrote: post #152

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I am massively sick of gaming focused boards. I don’t want my board to be “tough” or “mil-spec” or be extra shiny or have fancy-proprietary-auto-overclock. I want a reliable board that complies with all the specs it claims to support. Low idle power consumption would be nice, too. This is obnoxiously difficult to shop for in the desktop/workstation space.

The PCIe lanes are the worst. You have x16 slots that run x1, you need to check slots with m.2 to make sure an x8 doesn't become x4 if you insert storage. Wait if I plug something into the thunderbolt port my 10g network card runs at half speed? Obviously these are actual physical limitation from PCIe lane counts, but it makes it impossible to search. Just painfull.

They exist to partition capability so that enterprises can’t connect all of their peripherals and some ECC memory to get the same functionality for 1/10 the price. It’s not a physical limitation.

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Post by [deleted] »

groby_b wrote: post #93
Helmut10001 wrote: post #68

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I invested quite a bit in enterprises level homelab equipment 2020 to 2025 (about 10k). Happy I made it before the big bang. Eg. my SAS he8 drives will last at least till 2035. But what then? I want my children to be free, too.

You cannot be fully free if you're attached to physical goods. It may sound like pseudo-Buddhist claptrap, but it's also true. Or, I suppose, Fight Club claptrap. It's still true. The choice is "do you want to participate in society, its benefits and drawbacks". You can't have only one side of that.

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Post by wlesieutre »

Diti wrote: post #284
wlesieutre wrote: post #238

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Doesn't really answer the question though, why would someone be trying to utilize that much bandwidth out of their house? Is this for people trying to start the next netflix out of their garage before they have any money to put the servers in a colo?

VPNs. If you have a NAS and require high-speed access from/to your home files (dumping your Apple ProRes RAW rushes off your external SSD, so you can keep shooting your video, for instance), that kind of bandwidth cements your income.

You and 49 other people all simultaneously working from locations with gigabit uplinks
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