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Singapore introduces caning for boys who bully others at school

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Re: Singapore introduces caning for boys who bully others at school

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If they like it so much, they should apply it to all kids, not just boys.

They like it as a punishment for boys exclusively.

I guess hitting girls with sticks makes them uneasy, huh. Maybe they should apply the same empathy to all children.

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Expel the kid I want everyone to succeed as much as possible, I feel bad for such kids. But at that point, the kid won’t learn, won’t launch, there’s no benefit to keeping them in school and massive consequences for the good kids.

You expel them and they become another person's problem. I heard recently of a local problem child aged seven. He's already been expelled from a private school but has entered a state school where he seriously injured another pupil and attempted to strangle one of the teachers. Expulsion isn't going to reform them, it will just move it on elsewhere.

So directly to prison. Or must they succeed first?

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Singapore also hangs people for possessing weed.

You can also to to jail for selling chewing gum. And you are legally required to flush a public toilet after using it.

Neither one is really enforced

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>We have overwhelming evidence that corporal punishment is harmful in general, and very harmful for kids. This is false. The evidence is not overwhelming; it's actually extremely poor quality. And the research question is one of the most difficult to resolve in social science. I wrote on this here: https://wyclif.substack.com/p/the-academic-literature-on-sma... . See also this guy: https://scholar.google.co.uk/citati…

You might not have noticed what you've done here, but you've not only agreed to corporal punishment for children but also for harsher corporal punishment for criminals across the board. Read the whole conversation chain and reflect on how bad the optics are. There is a reason why your stance is unpopular. "Spanking looks like an 8/10 on the subjective harmful scale, but actually on the objective harmful scale its clo…

If you're saying we should pretend that spanking is worse than (we currently know) it is, then I don't agree.

I haven't said anything about corporal punishment for criminals, and I don't know of any evidence for or against it - that strikes me as a very different argument, partly because the level of violence is likely to be much greater.

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I was no bully, but I was caned frequently at school for various other offences. It had zero impact. I saw having to go and queue at the headmaster’s study in the morning for six of the best as a cost of doing business. Short, sharp, sore palms for the morning, over and done with. Now, satisfecit was much more of a threat - having to report every half hour all day every day, having teachers report on every lesson, ev…

We called it a report card. That was a load of nonsense too. I quickly learnt how to forge signatures for it, and even getting the real signatures was a hassle... For the teachers who resented doing it themselves. Absolutely no benefit to it. We also got punished collectively for things we didn't do. Happened to me on many occasions and I'm still bitter about it. It never flushed out the perps as it was supposed to.…

Collective punishment is a war crime, I don't know why people think it would be effective on children? All it does is breed resistance and resentment, as you say.

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When you impose gender ideology, gender roles on them from age 0, yeah you will get vastly different outcomes for boys and girls.

You may want to do some research on this thing called „hormones“ and how they differ in both genders.

Hormones don’t raise kids in particular gender norms, don’t carve them a place in society, don’t feed them gender-based culture 24/7. They do have a physical impact, impact on sexual development, their sex, reproductive function, temperament, but gender is a human invention.

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The only effective punishment/threat that I saw work on my bullies at school was the threat to remove one of them from the football team and prevent him from playing for the school. He turned it around and was ok after that. It was highly effective because it was a bigger punishment than those used for not doing your homework, and because it was highly relevant to him specifically. It worked because we had 16 student…

> most schools don't do that

It’s because most schools are industrial age conformism and propaganda machine extensions of centralized government power and control.

I suspect that those here who really care about education and learning know the extremely dark background and history of government schools in America, but, but I encourage everyone confused by me saying “extremely dark background and history” to do some independent investigation into how Rockefeller shaped what so many today defend tooth and nail as if the whole education system weren’t an industrialized human cog machine…still.

Here’s a little dip of the toe into that dark water for the naive uninitiated… but it’s way worse than this post even brushes up against:

https://medium.com/@sofialherani/the-dark-truth-of-the-educa...

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Maybe it's based on millions of years of biological differences in their capacities and functions (starting from body strength and role in reproduction), plus differences in social roles, of which some of the latter might be arbitrary, but some are necessary adjustments every historical society understood.

I always find it really amusing that the most pro trust the science people who are in total agreement with all the evolution theories are often also the ones who are the first to be in complete denial that us humans might actually share some characteristics with our closest genetic relatives (chimpanzees).

Bonobos are just as close and they're matriarchal. They're a very different species.

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The only effective punishment/threat that I saw work on my bullies at school was the threat to remove one of them from the football team and prevent him from playing for the school. He turned it around and was ok after that. It was highly effective because it was a bigger punishment than those used for not doing your homework, and because it was highly relevant to him specifically. It worked because we had 16 student…

I was no bully, but I was caned frequently at school for various other offences. It had zero impact. I saw having to go and queue at the headmaster’s study in the morning for six of the best as a cost of doing business. Short, sharp, sore palms for the morning, over and done with. Now, satisfecit was much more of a threat - having to report every half hour all day every day, having teachers report on every lesson, ev…

Have you ever thought about or identified what could have changed your ways, whatever those were that I presume were inconsiderate of others or even violations of people? Or was it more that you were pushing back against the industrialized human cog factory we call education in the west?
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