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Spotify adds 'Verified' badges to distinguish human artists from AI

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Re: Spotify adds 'Verified' badges to distinguish human artists from AI

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Post by skyyler »

djhn wrote: post #290
torben-friis wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Suppose I ask my tattoo artist for a dragon. Would you agree that I created the tattoo? If not, why then would asking the AI qualify as creation?

This is a fun analogy, even if it’s just novel to me. With any kind of creative work for hire, from architecture to advertising, from jingles to commisioned sculptures, the client’s taste and budget, more than almost anything else, determine the outcome. Take Cannes Lions as an example of a competition and awards ceremony that essentially exists to define what ’good taste’ means within that industry. The client’s tea…

>the client’s taste and budget, more than almost anything else, determine the outcome.

that's interesting! why do advertising firms work with artists at all then?

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Post by customguy »

troosevelt wrote: post #196
vintermann wrote: post #191

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It's not that simple, I think. Music, literature, even photos and software sometimes, are interesting for their context - someone made them, for you, and they wanted to tell you something. They're interesting because we care about the person on the other end. But if there is no person on the other end, why should I care? We can argue about this if you want. Long chain of comments back and forth. But ask yourself, if…

People generally listen to music because they enjoy it. Is it because somebody is on the other end? I mean it's possible, but I think just liking the song is just as much if not more important. You pretty regularly see comments by people that say they enjoy a song until they find out it was generated. That tells me it's not about the music but about something they believe about generated music. Why do you suggest tha…

> That tells me it's not about the music but about something they believe about generated music.

Or it's something they know, namely there being nobody at the other end.

By your logic, a love letter you get from a real person and one that was generated would be the same thing, because "only the words should matter". To me it doesn't make sense to say that about music in precisely the same sense I assume you agree it wouldn't make sense about a love letter.

> Why do you suggest that people generating music aren't listening to it?

Because it's possible, and considering the vast amounts that get generated, a mathematical certainty that it does happen. Whereas people who compose music actually hearing what they compose, or if they're deaf, they experience it some other way. That is also a certainty.

Why this push to somehow "overcome" that? Why can't generated stuff be for people who like it, and the people who don't like it say that once, and that's the end of the discussion and simply gets respected as boundaries humans set for themselves?

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Post by Ylpertnodi »

delbronski wrote: post #289

I recently used Suno to generate a whole album for myself. I was after a specific style. I had this one song in my head and could not find anything else like it. So I tried Suno, very skeptical of it, but was completely surprised by what it could do. So I spent a whole day making an album for myself. Completely mesmerised and blown away. Even thinking… I should publish this, this is amazing music. The next day I was…

Anyways, I gave up my music production dreams after that.

Keep trying. I do music-for me - but i like the idea of using Suno after what you wrote.

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Post by phatfish »

delbronski wrote: post #289

I recently used Suno to generate a whole album for myself. I was after a specific style. I had this one song in my head and could not find anything else like it. So I tried Suno, very skeptical of it, but was completely surprised by what it could do. So I spent a whole day making an album for myself. Completely mesmerised and blown away. Even thinking… I should publish this, this is amazing music. The next day I was…

I know AI has it's sights on artists as it seems like the low hanging fruit (anything can be art!).

But for music especially there is a very deliberate process a human uses. Musicians looking to create something original are not pumping it out over the course of a day/week/month. It is something they have thought about for years. A lyric waiting for the perfect melody, a melody waiting for the perfect baseline, etc. OK, maybe there is a moment of inspiration where it all comes together quickly, but that doesn't happen in isolation.

I am sceptical an AI with no goal or understanding beyond it's trained weights and prompt can create something original (and good) in it's entirety.

This is in contrast to technical tasks like coding, where regurgitating best practices to solve an iteration on an already solved problem is a valid approach, for everything except bleeding edge. No originality needed in that case.

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Post by pixel_popping »

reconnecting wrote: post #12

The more appropriate question is why they published a AI artist at all. I think Spotify (or its owners/investors) might actually benefit from recommending AI-generated music by not having to pay real artists. Like Spotify owns distribution, their largest investor Tencent Music Entertainment Group publishes AI-generated music = almost infinite profit. From news: Tencent Music demonstrated strong revenue (1) growth in…

I love AI music, why shouldn't I be able to access this whole new era with Spotify?

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Post by Zopieux »

Ferret7446 wrote: post #144
lifeformed wrote: post #132

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It takes away from real human artists who do their part to slowly advance human culture. Music will not develop without human artists. Maybe for this moment in time AI can fulfill some people's musical desires, but it's not going to keep up with the times. The point of art, in a general sense, is humanity. Automating away your artistic needs is like automating away your social needs. It's a one way "relationship" tha…

Painters said the same thing about cameras

And turns out there is still room to enjoy both photography and paintings as their own art forms.

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Post by phatfish »

ssgodderidge wrote: post #64

I’m be been using the publishing year on Spotify to determine whether or not a song is AI generated, or not. Anything before 2023 is most certainly from a human

This is a valid approach, and one i use as well. My wife likes flute/meditation music to help her sleep sometimes. Spotify is full AI generated covers in that genre, always at the top of the search results somehow, maybe because it is new?

Anyway, i spend an extra 15 mins digging through for older albums, of which there are some good ones from the 2000s and 2010s.

A good filter on human slop -- in genres where that can be a problem, like children's songs -- is to look for releases before it became popular to self publish on Spotify itself. Sometime around 2015 maybe?

There are definitely exceptions to that rule though (in both directions!), so i don't discount everything released more recently out of hand.

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Post by pixel_popping »

lifeformed wrote: post #132
neonstatic wrote: post #50

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Realistically speaking, why is that a problem? What is the point of music if not enjoyment? If these people enjoy it, what's wrong with it?

It takes away from real human artists who do their part to slowly advance human culture. Music will not develop without human artists. Maybe for this moment in time AI can fulfill some people's musical desires, but it's not going to keep up with the times. The point of art, in a general sense, is humanity. Automating away your artistic needs is like automating away your social needs. It's a one way "relationship" tha…

Why would music not develop without human artists? This isn't true at all, "AI" isn't necessary LLM as well, there is plenty of ways for AI to innovate, and let's be real, most musics from humans are a bit of copy-cat nowadays, ton of AI music actually made me vibe personally and stuff I haven't heard before.

Have you tried a day of listening solely to AI music? I feel you might change your mind, sure sometimes there is some serious off-tune (feels like an hallucination from the model) but we know this is temporary.

PS: I'm conscious of what it does to humanity, but there is also facts that AI does produce great songs, that's 2 different discussions.

Re: Spotify adds 'Verified' badges to distinguish human artists from AI

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Post by Zopieux »

ssgodderidge wrote: post #64

I’m be been using the publishing year on Spotify to determine whether or not a song is AI generated, or not. Anything before 2023 is most certainly from a human

Honestly anything from before and including 2024 is probably safe. Everything took off (including the mass uploading to platforms) in late 2024.

Artists appearing in 2025+ are, unfortunately, going to be mostly AI content farms. Real humans will be the exception and we'll somehow have to tell them apart using side channels like live performances.

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Post by Zopieux »

delbronski wrote: post #289

I recently used Suno to generate a whole album for myself. I was after a specific style. I had this one song in my head and could not find anything else like it. So I tried Suno, very skeptical of it, but was completely surprised by what it could do. So I spent a whole day making an album for myself. Completely mesmerised and blown away. Even thinking… I should publish this, this is amazing music. The next day I was…

Same. I got access to a novel music model and wanted to know what it's like. I generated a very specific style (a cappella choir with complex harmonic layering). Suno was complete garbage 100% of the time. This model, I got one decent piece every 20+ attempts; this is extremely wasteful. Even the ones I enjoyed, the novelty wears off quickly.

As opposed to AI images which you can judge in a split second, it takes minutes of wall clock time to assess if a generation is decent, since you need to listen to it.

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