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Re: Trump fires NSF's oversight board

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Post by 2ndorderthought »

JuniperMesos wrote: post #283
2ndorderthought wrote: post #137

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So... This is worth a personal Google search on your part. This organization is a large part of the life blood for all research and development in the United States. It funds research, students, projects. You know how the US had people from all over the world trying to get into our schools, and how they regularly figured things out important economic healthcare and other discoveries by being ahead of the curve? This…

> You know how the US had people from all over the world trying to get into our schools, and how they regularly figured things out important economic healthcare and other discoveries by being ahead of the curve? This group is a huge reason why. A lot of people from all over the world are trying to get into US schools because it's a way to get a US visa, and legal residency in the US is valuable enough that people are…

As someone with a bit of higher education experience. There was a large amount of Chinese students paying cash to do their Ph.d's in the US. Probably 50% of the student body in some schools. A large portion of that 50% went immediately back to China after obtaining their degrees.

https://eig.org/immigrant-retention-estimates/

Re: Trump fires NSF's oversight board

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Post by 2ndorderthought »

qsera wrote: post #243
bigyabai wrote: post #236

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No, not surprising. But some of your statements are hard to square with the current circumstances, so help us understand where you're coming from: > When he says "I will end the war in three days", I think he genuinely believes it. So I think he is genuine. This is what Putin said about his "Special military operation" that has stretched on for 4 years now. Hostomel turned into an irreversible, taxing conflict on the…

>I'd have to hear how you think this type of strategy benefits America The only answer I have is the one that Trump keep on repeating, about how Iran should not have a nuclear weapon. > JCPOA agreement If I am the POTUS and is really concerned about what happens to US after my term, I would be very concerned about what happens when the term of the agreement expires. This fits with Trump has been saying. That he becam…

Are you aware of what trump did so that Iran could have a nuclear weapon? Look up his last term, about which former president already had a successful agreement in place to prevent that.

Re: Trump fires NSF's oversight board

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Post by JuniperMesos »

2ndorderthought wrote: post #291
JuniperMesos wrote: post #283

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You know how the US had people from all over the world trying to get into our schools, and how they regularly figured things out important economic healthcare and other discoveries by being ahead of the curve? This group is a huge reason why. A lot of people from all over the world are trying to get into US schools because it's a way to get a US visa, and legal residency in the US is valuable enough that people are…

As someone with a bit of higher education experience. There was a large amount of Chinese students paying cash to do their Ph.d's in the US. Probably 50% of the student body in some schools. A large portion of that 50% went immediately back to China after obtaining their degrees. https://eig.org/immigrant-retention-estimates/

How many of them had children on US soil before returning?

Re: Trump fires NSF's oversight board

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Post by stogot »

nixon_why69 wrote: post #269
Aurornis wrote: post #17

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I disagree with this move, but the people who lost these positions were in temporary advisory roles. This isn’t a career job for them. The article says 8 members are replaced every 2 years and the terms are 6 years long. Between 1/4 or 1/2 of them would have been replaced during this presidency, and whoever gets placed now will start to be replaced by the next administration. As for China: They’re not known for havin…

China absolutely has a national academy of sciences: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Academy_of_Sciences They have and do oversight, generally with scary commie sounding names but presumably the same day-to-day as the NSF.

The article talked about the board pushing back on political decisions. Do you really think Chinese oversight boards push back on political officers? Do they take to the press to lambast Xi?

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Post by IAmGraydon »

wallst07 wrote: post #292
jesseendahl wrote: post #190

There are so many bots/trolls on HN now, it's crazy.

How do you 100% determine a comment is form a bot/troll?

Simple. He just finds a comment he doesn’t like and attributes it to a bot because surely all real people agree with him and his infallible sense of things.

Re: Trump fires NSF's oversight board

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Post by datsci_est_2015 »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #58
matt3210 wrote: post #16

There’s only one reason to get rid of all the smart people, shenanigans are afoot.

Dr. Jessica Knurick has done a great job IMO breaking down how authoritarian governments co-opt science to their own ends and end up destroying it in the process. Here is one such article, https://open.substack.com/pub/drjessicaknurick/p/the-authori... , but she has lots of posts and short form videos explaining the topic.

Another example, aside from Lysenko, is Elena Ceausescu. Basically used her position of power as wife of the authoritarian figurehead to enforce her own version of scientific reality.

Re: Trump fires NSF's oversight board

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Post by datsci_est_2015 »

throwworhtthrow wrote: post #229
Spooky23 wrote: post #90

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Our entire economy is built on scientific advancement and advantage. The dismantling of everything to maximize executive power in order to maximize grift and corruption will have effects for decades. This is the American version of the cultural revolution. We’re pushing people to be plumbers instead of scientists.

> Our entire economy is built on scientific advancement and advantage. Devil's advocate: Only productivity gains, not the entire economy, are built on scientific advancement. But wages haven't grown with productivity in half a century, so the loss of scientific advantage won't affect wage growth, therefore the economy will be fine. (I know it's not convincing, but it's the best I can conjure.)

Seems like your advocacy of the devil still supports the parent comment’s speculation of this being a cultural revolution appealing to workers who have been “left behind” (e.g. coal miners who didn’t learn how to code).
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