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Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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GorbachevyChase wrote: post #256
joshstrange wrote: post #192

Well that's clear as mud. I've complained, extensively, about this before but Anthropic really needs to make it clear what is and is not supported with or without a subscription. Until then, it's hard to know where you stand with using their products. I say all of this as someone who doesn't use OpenClaw or any Claw-like product currently. I just want to know what I can and can't do and currently it's impossible to k…

Anthropic changing what you get for your subscription week to week is why I would never spend beyond a hobby-tier license. Great product. Probably. But maybe depending on what hours of the day you use it. If it suits them. I can’t tell you how relieved I am that there are many capable open weight models in the wild to keep a ceiling on bad behavior.

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Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by F7F7F7 »

Just as they pull the rug on $20 users. This is the most transparently nontransparent company in tech existence.

They always reveal their cards in the most clumsy ways possible. Their enterprise API numbers must be godlike for the way they are treating B2C customers.

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by chrisjj »

LatencyKills wrote: post #211
joshstrange wrote: post #192

Well that's clear as mud. I've complained, extensively, about this before but Anthropic really needs to make it clear what is and is not supported with or without a subscription. Until then, it's hard to know where you stand with using their products. I say all of this as someone who doesn't use OpenClaw or any Claw-like product currently. I just want to know what I can and can't do and currently it's impossible to k…

The poor communication and flip-flopping are what concern me. How can I buy into an ecosystem that might disallow one of my main workflows? I currently use several hook scripts to route specific work to different models. Will they disallow that at some point? We don't know because they can't get their story straight.

> The poor communication and flip-flopping are what concern me.

There's no poor communication. The communication is excellently crafted to deceive users and facilitate flipflopping.

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by chrisjj »

devanshranjan wrote: post #215
joshstrange wrote: post #192

Well that's clear as mud. I've complained, extensively, about this before but Anthropic really needs to make it clear what is and is not supported with or without a subscription. Until then, it's hard to know where you stand with using their products. I say all of this as someone who doesn't use OpenClaw or any Claw-like product currently. I just want to know what I can and can't do and currently it's impossible to k…

Same building on their API. You design around what you think is allowed, then a blog post shifts everything. A proper developer policy page would fix this.

> A proper developer policy page would fix this.

And that's why don't get one.

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by bandrami »

wild_egg wrote: post #187
bandrami wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope. They're losing money on straight inference (you may be thinking of the interview where Dario described a hypothetical company that was positive margin). The only way they can make it look like they're making money on inference is by calling the ongoing reinforcement training of the currently-served model a capital rather than operational expense, which is both absurd and will absolutely not work for an IPO.

Inference, in and of itself, can't be completely unprofitable. Unless you're purely talking about Anthropic? But > If you want LLMs to continue to be offered we have to get to a point where the providers are taking in more money than they are spending hosting them Suggests you just mean in general, as a category, every provider is taking a loss. That seems implausible. Every provider on OpenRouter is giving away infe…

For the same reason that Amazon operated at a loss for two decades and Uber operated at a loss for a decade and a half. The problem is the free money hose isn't running anymore.

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by conroydave »

steipete wrote: post #269

Peter here from OpenClaw. For context, here’s why our post reads the way it does: Boris from Claude Code said publicly on Twitter that CLI-style usage is allowed. We took that seriously and invested time building around that guidance. I even changed the defaults, so when using the cli we're automatially disabling features that use excessive tokens like the heartbeat feature. But in practice, Anthropic still blocks pa…

thank you for your commitment to open source.

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by notShabu »

While I get that unclear communication is frustrating especially if there are sunk costs, the core issue seems to be that they can't afford to subsidize all these tokens for free.

The agent model breaks the power-user/casual-user proportion that makes the existing saas-like pricing work.

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by camkego »

TIPSIO wrote: post #277
steipete wrote: post #269

Peter here from OpenClaw. For context, here’s why our post reads the way it does: Boris from Claude Code said publicly on Twitter that CLI-style usage is allowed. We took that seriously and invested time building around that guidance. I even changed the defaults, so when using the cli we're automatially disabling features that use excessive tokens like the heartbeat feature. But in practice, Anthropic still blocks pa…

A lot of people have spent a considerable amount of time building out "claude -p" workflows trusting Anthropic because of those same Tweet assurances outside of OpenClaw. It seems with the new "--bare" flag they are introducing, a huge rug pull is coming as they plan to deprecate -p for unlimited users. The docs now read: > "Bare mode skips OAuth and keychain reads. Anthropic authentication must come from ANTHROPIC_A…

It seems clear that Anthropic wants users pay API rates for tokens when use in a programatic way, and not subscriber rates for tokens when used from code. As a user, I want to pay the subscription rates with -p, but it seems they want to block that.
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