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Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by WalterBright » Tue, Apr 21, 2026, 2:13 AM UTC

tmountain wrote: post #203

strangegecko wrote: post #47

I'm trying to learn music production with a DAW, sometimes I wonder if I'm wasting my time. Part of my reason for trying this was reading how creative endeavors can be therapeutic (I'm dealing with burnout/depression/cptsd). I'm at the stage where sometimes I make something that sounds good (to me) but I know it requires work (in the "not fun" sense) to finish it and even then, it will likely never be appreciated by…

I’ve been involved in one music project or another (bands, albums, solo projects, etc) for the past 25 years. During the pandemic, a friend and I decided to make a record together. We labored over it for almost two years and finally “released it” on bandcamp to very little fanfare. A few friends and family had nice things to say, and one random stranger reached out with positive feedback. I get a monthly stream repor…

The reality is, essentially nobody makes money by creating music. Taylor Swift, you might say, is a billionaire. Is it from selling music? Nope, it's from selling tickets to her shows. People want to see her perform live. A Taylor Swift impersonator would make no money singing the same songs. A cover band wouldn't do any better.

It's the same with authoring books. Almost nobody makes any significant money off of them. It's so paltry I don't really understand why authors are so concerned about copyright infringement.

People steal my copyrighted stuff all the time. I long ago stopped caring about it. But I do very much like Github as it protects me from others accusing me of stealing their code.

If you want to make money, you'll need a plan that does not require copyright protection.

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by userbinator » Tue, Apr 21, 2026, 2:18 AM UTC

TheMagicHorsey wrote: post #97

What a coincidence. Just today, someone on my high school alumni group just posted an album they "made", which is 100% AI generated music. They claim authorship because they created the prompts to the AI. My feeling is that if the AI is this good, the audience will just prompt the AI themselves and cut out the middleman.

the audience will just prompt the AI themselves and cut out the middleman

It seems like "personalised recommendations" are heading in that direction, but don't forget there's also the social aspect --- listeners will want to share what they liked the most, so even if they end up automatically prompting the AI to generate exactly the music they want, they'll find others who also like very similar music.

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by HerbManic » Tue, Apr 21, 2026, 2:18 AM UTC

wartywhoa23 wrote: post #86

strangegecko wrote: post #47

I'm trying to learn music production with a DAW, sometimes I wonder if I'm wasting my time. Part of my reason for trying this was reading how creative endeavors can be therapeutic (I'm dealing with burnout/depression/cptsd). I'm at the stage where sometimes I make something that sounds good (to me) but I know it requires work (in the "not fun" sense) to finish it and even then, it will likely never be appreciated by…

You're not wasting your time, my friend. But you've got to be very certain and honest as to why you want to learn that. If your goal is being heard and appreciated, well, you better reconsider. If you're doing it for your own pleasure and pure love of art, absolutely do go on, without any expectations. It may or may not take off, but the samurai must not care.

It makes you wonder.

Walk into any library, book store, second hand shop or wherever they sell media. Look at the hundreds of thousands of book, albums, DVD and I wonder how many of those folks were doing it trying to make it big, grab attention or turn it into a career?

And that is a very VERY tiny slice of the entire pie. For everyone successful artist you find, there are hundreds or thousands that never got lucky or had the skills to make it. I put luck first deliberately.

A good example, based on the IBSN listings there are currently 158 million unique books. That is one unique book for every 53 people on the world, how many can you think of?

I love going to old book stores and pulling out something random, usually some paper back from the mid 60's/70's on a topic you probably never even thought of. How much time and effort went into writing that, editing, producing, marketing it? I look up the authors to if they ever made much of it all, about 99% of the time, their name doesn't turn anything up. Despite their published works, they could still be alive, they are already forgotten under the sheer volume of works out there.

There are TV shows I remember, they had whole crews working on it, actors, writers and producers. The only proof they exist online is about a paragraph or two, didn't even get a wiki page. To be appreciated by those close to you, that should be more than enough, but for some it has to be broader, I do not know why.

I think a part of it is that many people come into this world thinking it is a race. I say, IF and that is a very big if; if life is a race, it is a 100meter race and it doesn't matter what position you come in. Saunter your way, take the long way. And yet when you get to the finish line there are loads of people racing past mocking you and desperately trying to convince that "You think that is the finish line? Nah, this is marathon and the real goodies are there!". And so they keep running as fast as possible, wearing themselves out and getting exhausted to no end. The joke being that there is no other finish line.

You can be content in you, content in now. Just be chill... damn it!

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by hacknewsburner » Tue, Apr 21, 2026, 2:21 AM UTC

strangegecko wrote: post #47

I'm trying to learn music production with a DAW, sometimes I wonder if I'm wasting my time. Part of my reason for trying this was reading how creative endeavors can be therapeutic (I'm dealing with burnout/depression/cptsd). I'm at the stage where sometimes I make something that sounds good (to me) but I know it requires work (in the "not fun" sense) to finish it and even then, it will likely never be appreciated by…

I used to make a lot of music in FL, mostly beats. I would make beats similar to whatever I was listening to at the time, try to get a little weirder with it every time. Like making Memphis style beats with crushed drums and warped samples running through PS1 reverb until it's drowning. It was never for anyone, I would send my songs to my group chat with my buddies for feedback. Kind of fell off just because I got into other hobbies. It doesn't need to be for anyone else. A re-mix of a song I did got 2M on YouTube though, the real catharsis was beating the botted 300k views the shitty rapper from my grad class had though. That video is copyright struck so I don't make any money from it, but that was never the goal, I just uploaded so I could send my songs to the boys/listen on my phone to do the 'ol car test.

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by HerbManic » Tue, Apr 21, 2026, 2:25 AM UTC

SamuelAdams wrote: post #282

ymolodtsov wrote: post #36

Most of the videos uploaded to YouTube are worthless. AI simplifies the creation, doesn't mean it's good and will be listened to. And if it will, then what's the problem? You can talk about ethics, IP, etc. but we're not even there yet.

Say what you about the Anna’s Archive Spotify scrape: it made me realize how much music exists and how much music was never listened to.

If every track was 3 minutes long, it would be about 1450 years worth of music. You can never experience it all.

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by StilesCrisis » Tue, Apr 21, 2026, 2:26 AM UTC

rune-dev wrote: post #237

StilesCrisis wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uh, have you tried rhythm games? You can scratch the same music-exploration itch with a much lower time commitment and get the same thrill of accomplishment as you improve. There is also a built-in crowd of other players at any skill level that you can share your achievements with. It's not the same glassy-eyed state as you'd get with normal video games, TV, or doom scrolling at all. You will need to focus and clear…

Nothing against rhythm games. But actually creating music or playing an instrument is much more rewarding. The time commitment is part of it, the journey is the destination and all that.

Different strokes for different folks. There are certainly high skill-ceiling rhythm games that require more time and practice than Guitar Hero.

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Post by HerbManic » Tue, Apr 21, 2026, 2:36 AM UTC

nottorp wrote: post #13

So we'll be going back to publishers as curators. Good for the publishers, I guess.

It is a combination of publisher lock in and folks attempting wild new stuff that breaks out of what AI stuff typically produces.

Earlier this year with a lot of luck, the Canadian duo Angine de Poitrine suddenly got discovered because they are doing stuff that falls outside of conventional music styles.

They aren't unique in the experimental nature they are exploring but it has highlighted an hunger from audiences to find stuff outside of the median. Folks like Frank Zappa had to relentlessly advocate for themselves as they figured there was a middle ground between these two thing.

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Post by zaptrem » Tue, Apr 21, 2026, 2:41 AM UTC

MetaWhirledPeas wrote: post #194

zaptrem wrote: post #155

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I train music generation models. They are very trivial to detect. In fact, detecting them then training them to evade detection by the detection model is a big part of training them! But the detectors win instantly without some hardcore regularization. Simply turn that off and you've instantly got a perfect classifier. This isn't like text classification, the signal many orders of magnitude higher bitrate and so many…

> They are very trivial to detect. Today. Trying to detect AI is like extracting water from puddles in a lake that is quickly drying up. What is the point in the short term if it's impractical in the long term? It will catch some low-hanging fruit in the best case, and will find false positives in the worst.

My point is you should consider creating truly undetectable audio end to end with AI to be effectively impossible for the foreseeable future (i.e., I would bet money it is still trivially detectable five years from now). It won't be detectable to humans, though, only models.

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by kiba » Tue, Apr 21, 2026, 2:42 AM UTC

WalterBright wrote: post #291

tmountain wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve been involved in one music project or another (bands, albums, solo projects, etc) for the past 25 years. During the pandemic, a friend and I decided to make a record together. We labored over it for almost two years and finally “released it” on bandcamp to very little fanfare. A few friends and family had nice things to say, and one random stranger reached out with positive feedback. I get a monthly stream repor…

The reality is, essentially nobody makes money by creating music. Taylor Swift, you might say, is a billionaire. Is it from selling music? Nope, it's from selling tickets to her shows. People want to see her perform live. A Taylor Swift impersonator would make no money singing the same songs. A cover band wouldn't do any better. It's the same with authoring books. Almost nobody makes any significant money off of them…

I care more about attribution than copyright infringement.

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by rgreasons » Tue, Apr 21, 2026, 2:46 AM UTC

tmountain wrote: post #203

strangegecko wrote: post #47

I'm trying to learn music production with a DAW, sometimes I wonder if I'm wasting my time. Part of my reason for trying this was reading how creative endeavors can be therapeutic (I'm dealing with burnout/depression/cptsd). I'm at the stage where sometimes I make something that sounds good (to me) but I know it requires work (in the "not fun" sense) to finish it and even then, it will likely never be appreciated by…

I’ve been involved in one music project or another (bands, albums, solo projects, etc) for the past 25 years. During the pandemic, a friend and I decided to make a record together. We labored over it for almost two years and finally “released it” on bandcamp to very little fanfare. A few friends and family had nice things to say, and one random stranger reached out with positive feedback. I get a monthly stream repor…

Mind sharing where you went for your lathe cuts (assuming you are happy with how they turned out/sound)?