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The quiet disappearance of the free-range childhood

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Re: The quiet disappearance of the free-range childhood

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>> But there are no other kids out there. I'm sending him out into streets empty of kids. This. It's a number's "game". My father, born in rural Romania, had 8 siblings, one of them died of an accident in his childhood (yeah, during "free range stuff"). I was born in a town and have 2 brothers. Live in a city and have one kid. I can't send my kid out carelessly because I don't have a backup.

> I can't send my kid out carelessly because I don't have a backup. I don't understand this reasoning. Are you saying you're knowingly stunting the growth of your child because you would have to deal with your emotions if something terrible happened? I understand the emotional pull of it, but I don't understand being able to identify it, put it into words, and then continue to do it.

I don't understand the "knowingly stunting the growth of your child" attack. What makes you conclude I'm stunting the growth of my child?

He's not chained to a tree. He goes to private school in a country where public schools are free and excellent. Visits his friends and play in the public park or the private yard. Spends vacations in the countryside unsupervised by me because unlike the city, chances of being run over by a retard driving a car are much lower. Still, I advise him not to wander around freely as I did in my childhood because the world has become much shittier. One thing, there are bears everywhere, thanks to the animal rights lobbyists. I feared dogs and bulls when wandering across countryside as a kid, now I have to add bears too for my kid.

Re: The quiet disappearance of the free-range childhood

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Easier said than done when you don’t have to suffer the physical consequences of having them.

I am not sure what you mean. Most people in the world including every single one of your ancestors has managed to have kids - including the physical aspects.

My wife gave birth by C-section. That would have killed her up until very modern times.

She may theoretically birth another child but there's a substantial risk.

There are "physical aspects", just because it's all theoretical and principles to you doesn't make them go away.

Re: The quiet disappearance of the free-range childhood

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Manhattan is one thing, but I would never let my kids go to the 70s unsupervised.

This is the helicopter parenting the article is condemning. Children made it through the 70's just fine.

    just fine
Just a dash of survivor bias here I believe.

I'm pretty sure the data shows the opposite actually, that compared to today some percentage more of them didn't make it out.

Re: The quiet disappearance of the free-range childhood

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Examples of nonfamily abduction episodes are omitted because NISMART–3 identified too few to analyze. Source: https://ojjdp.ojp.gov/sites/g/files/xyckuh176/files/pubs/250... which is the source of what you cited as your source.

I believe you wanted to say that the NISMART is the source, not the pamphlet you referenced, right? Because my source does not reference your pamphlet. Still looking for statistics of abductions, from people who claimed they are very rare yet cannot show the numbers. NISMART-3 is from 2013, 13 years ago.

2nd Paragraph. The following figures on missing children have been pulled from the 1999 NISMART study. Updated commentary on these initial figures are outlined in subsequent studies in 2002 and 2013. (2002 and 2013 are hyperlinks)

Re: The quiet disappearance of the free-range childhood

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Whenever these conversations come up, I've always noted that they don't really seem to apply to the PNW. My neighborhood (in Seattle proper) has lots of kids running around as well. Neighborhood kids will stop by to pickup my son and whisk him off to some adventure down the block. Getting your kid back involves listening for the correct sounding screams of joy as you walk around and figure out whose yard they are in.…

It is a function of road design. If the neighborhood is just houses with all the places to go located on 40mph+ roads (meaning people are driving their high grill head height SUVs and pickup trucks at 50mph+ while looking at their phones), possibly without sidewalks, I’m not letting my kids go out there alone until they are teenagers. Also, places are just too far due to the aforementioned 6 lane roads and 100ft+ wid…

Suburbs are places where people refuse to pay taxes to build parks and instead have giant yards and everyone builds their own private park. :/

Re: The quiet disappearance of the free-range childhood

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I believe you wanted to say that the NISMART is the source, not the pamphlet you referenced, right? Because my source does not reference your pamphlet. Still looking for statistics of abductions, from people who claimed they are very rare yet cannot show the numbers. NISMART-3 is from 2013, 13 years ago.

2nd Paragraph. The following figures on missing children have been pulled from the 1999 NISMART study. Updated commentary on these initial figures are outlined in subsequent studies in 2002 and 2013. (2002 and 2013 are hyperlinks)

I am sorry, can you rephrase so I could understand what you are trying to say now?

Re: The quiet disappearance of the free-range childhood

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It is a function of road design. If the neighborhood is just houses with all the places to go located on 40mph+ roads (meaning people are driving their high grill head height SUVs and pickup trucks at 50mph+ while looking at their phones), possibly without sidewalks, I’m not letting my kids go out there alone until they are teenagers. Also, places are just too far due to the aforementioned 6 lane roads and 100ft+ wid…

Suburbs are places where people refuse to pay taxes to build parks and instead have giant yards and everyone builds their own private park. :/

I have a family member in a new neighborhood in northern Indianapolis suburbs, and the housing development has 15k sq ft lots with 5k sq ft houses on them, and the backyard of the houses are not (yet) fenced in, and all the houses had various Costco playground sets with their own swings and trampolines and whatnot, at least 5 that I counted, with probably numerous more across the other houses in the neighborhood.

I asked my family member why they didn't just build one playground for all the kids, and they said the HOA voted against it (for whatever reason, ongoing costs, legal liability costs, etc). I look at that waste and can only laugh at the "efforts" to be green or pro environment as a joke to appease those who can be easily swayed.

Re: The quiet disappearance of the free-range childhood

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Russia doesn't have reliablr statistics on anything. It like saying North Korea is safe.

North Korea likely is extremely safe when things like street violence and bullying are concerned. It's only unsafe for dissidents. And you know, you can also ask people. In software there is a large population that grew up in the ex-USSR. Many of us still regularly visit the old country and talk to friends and family that live there. And we aren't all bots, despite what many seem to believe.

The Third Reich was only unsafe for Jews, Roma, Catholics, Homosexuals and everyone who was against Hitler. Other than that it was extremely safe.

Re: The quiet disappearance of the free-range childhood

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I am not sure what you mean. Most people in the world including every single one of your ancestors has managed to have kids - including the physical aspects.

My wife gave birth by C-section. That would have killed her up until very modern times. She may theoretically birth another child but there's a substantial risk. There are "physical aspects", just because it's all theoretical and principles to you doesn't make them go away.

People aren’t comparing today to the ancient past. They’re by and large, comparing life to when they grew up.

So on HN, that’s the 70s through the 90s.

Since then maternal mortality in the USA has only increased. The reasons vary, but this still supports your comment as less people ought to be willing to risk having more children.

I would add, that this stat also pairs with the prevalence of hard pregnancies in the USA, so people may become more protective of their children since they suffered more to have them.

Other countries don’t have this issue, and also have more free range child allowances (e.g. Japan with low mortality, low number of children, but highly independent children supported and watched by adults in general and not their parents).

Re: The quiet disappearance of the free-range childhood

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Yes. Russia is inarguably safer in terms of street crime than the USA. Philadelphia in 2025 had a higher murder rate than Belfast during the height of a civil war. https://www.numbeo.com/crime/compare_countries_result.jsp?co... Crime in the USA is also extremely regional and local in pattern.

> Philadelphia in 2025 had a higher murder rate than Belfast during the height of a civil war. Do you have a cite? In American cities crime is at generational lows, including / especially murder.

I just looked it up, and found this in a Philadelphia newspaper:

"The numbers of homicides and shooting victims in Philadelphia have continued their sharp declines since the pandemic. There were 222 homicides last year, the fewest since 1966, and 935 shooting victims, the first time there had been under 1,000 since at least 2007."

https://www.inquirer.com/news/philadelphia/pew-state-of-city...

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