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Google removes "Doki Doki Literature Club" from Google Play

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Re: Google removes "Doki Doki Literature Club" from Google Play

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Post by jquery »

shawn_w wrote: post #159
surgical_fire wrote: post #40

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If you only played it once without knowing the ending, I strongly recommend a second playthrough. Some dialogues and poems have a wildly different meaning once you know things. Also, I fully recommend DDLP+ too. The extra stories don't have any real gameplay, but they are really good, and add.some depth to the characters.

I'm not sure I could tolerate a second play through. One part in particular that just goes on and on and on for what feels like forever is really tough to get through and resume the plot.

That’s why every visual novel (well, almost every visual novel) have a skip function. I know exactly the stretch you’re talking about… I think. Just ctrl-skip through it.

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Post by brookst »

kstenerud wrote: post #183
brookst wrote: post #125

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I’m generally with you, but I am not prepared to say companies should be forced to host and distribute content they believe reflects badly on them. That and I don’t see how Google and Apple can both be monopolies in mobile. Is this the “Ford has a monopoly on Mustangs” argument? Never found that persuasive. Now, reframe as duopoly, and maybe layer in that a platform owner who curates their App Store must allow altern…

Remember the days when you could just run whatever software you wanted on your hardware?

I remember when you had to build the hardware before you could run anything. But I’m not sure that’s super relevant to app stores.

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Post by kulahan »

farfatched wrote: post #216
kulahan wrote: post #165

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GOG as well. https://www.gog.com/dreamlist/game/doki-doki-literature-club... (I have played it, and I enjoyed it somewhat)

That page shows it's not on GOG, but someone has added it to the dreamlist.

oh, that's... weird

Re: Google removes "Doki Doki Literature Club" from Google Play

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Post by kulahan »

kulahan wrote: post #165
farfatched wrote: post #48

It's available on Itch: https://teamsalvato.itch.io/ddlc (I've never played it.)

GOG as well. https://www.gog.com/dreamlist/game/doki-doki-literature-club... (I have played it, and I enjoyed it somewhat)

EDIT: it's not on GOG, they just have google-searchable pages for games they don't have but might at one point have if someone wants it?

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Post by musicale »

chocochunks wrote: post #110
musicale wrote: post #50

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> Not Microsoft No Steam on Xbox Series X/S, last I heard. > Apple Steam still works on macOS, last I checked.

macOS and Xbox are rounding errors compared to iOS and Windows.

If Apple rounded off $33 billion in revenue (8% of total) they'd probably get in trouble.

However that is not the point (or points) I was refuting.

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Post by ddtaylor »

thunderfork wrote: post #289
ddtaylor wrote: post #93

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People are downvoting you, but I can literally pay for my meal using CashApp at a diner in the middle of nowhere using Bitcoin.

You're paying for your meal using USD, surely? Is that bitcoin you're paying for your USD with on-chain, or is it just sparkling PayPal Account Balance?

Nope, those are BTC transactions using Lightning. It was rolled out relatively recently but is live.

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Post by debugnik »

jquery wrote: post #290
debugnik wrote: post #218

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I believe Dan Salvato, the creator of DDLC, said he wasn't aware of YOU and ME and HER until late in development.

Convergent evolution. It’s probably just an amazing and fortuitous coincidence. They look similar but have completely different internal structure, like a bug that pretends to be a leaf. I can’t go any further without spoilers, so I won’t.

There might be a slim evolutionary thread between them, actually. DDLC made a reference to a certain Gravity Falls episode which has a similar premise by releasing exactly 3 years later, and that one could have been inspired by the then recent release of Totono during production.

But I agree it's convergence for the most part, it's not that hard to come up with that premise even if it hasn't been too common.

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Post by cthalupa »

retsibsi wrote: post #259
cthalupa wrote: post #241

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> The article does briefly mention "unhealthy avoidance behaviours", but in the context of one university's opinion and without supporting evidence.) There's not much additional context here because avoidant behavior is basically universally understood to be a bad thing when it comes to the long term treatment of PTSD (this is separate from immediately/short-term after the event - different situation there) - there's…

Can you point me to some strong evidence that it's reliably counterproductive to avoid reading a book or watching a show that contains a trigger? I get that avoidance, in the sense of trying to push away all thoughts of the trauma and avoid all possible reminders, is generally considered counterproductive. And exposure, at the right times and in the right ways, can be very helpful (or absolutely necessary). But there…

https://www.ptsd.va.gov/understand/what/avoidance.asp

> A combat Veteran may stop watching the news or using social media because of stories or posts about war or current military events.

https://www.verywellmind.com/ptsd-and-emotional-avoidance-27...

> The avoidance cluster of PTSD symptoms involves efforts to avoid distressing memories, thoughts, or feelings, and external reminders like discussions about the traumatic event or encounters with people or places associated with it.

I don't see how specifically avoiding content that contains triggers is anything but avoidance behavior as discussed above - avoiding the news or discussions about war is pretty explicitly facilitated by TW - before the clip plays on the news, by people posting it at the top of their social media content, etc. And media with the content would fall in line pretty explicitly as an "external reminder"

Like, I don't think someone who has been physically tortured and dealing with PTSD should watch Hostel or other torture porn, and I don't think a vet with PTSD should watch a compilation video of some of the worst horrors of war. So I'm not arguing for massive exposure or intentional forced exposure, etc. But the fundamental issue is that going out of your way to prevent yourself from being exposed to it at all, which is what TW facilitate if they were to work, is pretty definitionally avoidant behavior.

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Post by cthalupa »

hananova wrote: post #257
cthalupa wrote: post #220

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Trigger warnings have been quite heavily researched at this point and at best they seem to have no positive impact to overcoming traumatic events and a some of the studies have shown them to be a negative. Put 'scientific support for trigger warnings' in your favorite search engine and you'll find meta-analysis, RCTs, other types of studies, reviews, as well as discussions from the APS, other psychology and psychiatr…

All those papers look at the difference between "consuming content without being given a trigger warning" and "consuming content after being given a trigger warning." There has been no proper research on the effectiveness of "being given a trigger warning, and then not consuming the content because of it." Which seems to be the most important factor to consider when it's about avoid sudden panic responses.

> There has been no proper research on the effectiveness of "being given a trigger warning, and then not consuming the content because of it."

Well, there has been. From multiple angles. One, avoiding content because it might trigger you is just... avoidant behavior. Which is pretty much universally considered a bad thing. There's a big difference from seeking out exposure because you want to do your own exposure therapy (bad thing) and just letting yourself be exposed to things in a more organic fashion (good thing).

Two, most research indicates that TW do not actually reduce the consumption of content. Not all of the studies are on "did they help people process content they watched," as a lot of them are "did the TW make people not watch the content to begin with." Mostly it seems to haven no impact. A smaller subset of studies showed effects in other directions - both reduction and increase of content viewing after TW. If they reduce viewing I'd argue this is bad because it's avoidant behavior, and I suspect that the 'forbidden fruit' effect is also not positive because it's now giving you pre-viewing anxiety and is no longer the more organic 'let exposure happen naturally, don't just stop watching the news because it might contain stories about war.'

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