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System Card: Claude Mythos Preview [pdf]

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Post by kranke155 »

lilytweed wrote: post #78
zarzavat wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, it's becoming clear that OpenAI kinda sucks at alignment. GPT-5 can pass all the benchmarks but it just doesn't "feel good" like Claude or Gemini.

Whenever I come back to ChatGPT after using Claude or Gemini for an extended period, I’m really struck by the “AI-ness.” All the verbal tics and, truly, sloppishness, have been trained away by the other, more human-feeling models at this point.

GPT was clearly changed after its sycophantic models lead to the lawsuits.

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Post by 1attice »

bonsai_spool wrote: post #200
1attice wrote: post #161

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My housing is pretty valuable. I pay rent. Which timeline are you in?

Actually you're saying similar things: Rent-seeking of old was a ground rent, monies paid for the land without considering the building that was on it. Residential rents today often have implied warrants because of modern law, so your landlord is essentially selling you a service at a particular location.

thanks!

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Post by 2001zhaozhao »

It's pretty crazy watching AI 2027 slowly but surely come true. What a world we now live in.

SWE-bench verified going from 80%-93% in particular sounds extremely significant given that the benchmark was previously considered pretty saturated and stayed in the 70-80% range for several generations. There must have been some insane breakthrough here akin to the jump from non-reasoning to reasoning models.

Regarding the cyberattack capabilities, I think Anthropic might now need to ban even advanced defensive cybersecurity use for the models for the public before releasing it (so people can't trick them to attack others' systems under the pretense of pentesting). Otherwise we'll get a huge problem with people using them to hack around the internet.

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Post by bertil »

johnsimer wrote: post #251
bertil wrote: post #180

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It could be, formally, if they have a monopoly. However, I’m tempted to compare to GitHub: if I join a new company, I will ask to be included to their GitHub account without hesitation. I couldn’t possibly imagine they wouldn’t have one. What makes the cost of that subscription reasonable is not just GitHub’s fear a crowd with pitchforks showing to their office, by also the fact that a possible answer to my non-quest…

> It could be, formally, if they have a monopoly. you have 2 labs at the forefront (Anthropic/OpenAI), Google closely behind, xAI/Meta/half a dozen chinese companies all within 6-12 months. There is plenty of competition and price of equally intelligent tokens rapidly drop whenever a new intelligence level is achieved. Unless the leading company uses a model to nefariously take over or neutralize another company, I d…

Precisely.

I was focusing on a theoretical dynamic analysis of competition (Would a monopoly make having a competitor easier or harder?) but you are right: practically, there are many players, and they are diverse enough in their values and interest to allow collusion.

We could be wrong: each of those could give birth to as many Basilisks (not sure I have a better name for those conscious, invisible, omni-present, self-serving monsters that so many people imagine will emerge) that coordinate and maintain collusion somehow, but classic economics (complementarity, competition, etc.) points at disruption and lowering costs.

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Post by coppsilgold »

apetresc wrote: post #191

I've long maintained that the real indicator that AGI is imminent is that public availability stops being a thing. If you truly believed you had a superhuman, godlike mind in your thrall, renting it out for $20/month would be the last thing you would choose to do with it.

It only makes sense to rent out tokens if you aren't able to get more value from them yourself.

I would go a step further and posit that when things appear close Nvidia will stop selling chips (while appearing to continue by selling a trickle). And Google will similarly stop renting out TPUs. Both signals may be muddled by private chip production numbers.

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Post by margorczynski »

nullocator wrote: post #277
margorczynski wrote: post #257

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I think it is naive to think the government (US or China most probably) will just let some random company control something so powerful and dangerous.

Isn't the U.S. government at least completely asleep at the wheel or captured by the very same "random" companies? I realize the administration got all pissy with Anthropic but it sounds like the gov and gov contractors are still using their models.

Yeah but they still (at least to public knowledge) do not posses anything that could be called AGI. But as these capabilities increase they'll probably get an offer they can't refuse sooner or later.

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Post by lumost »

sourcecodeplz wrote: post #15
babelfish wrote: post #3

Combined results (Claude Mythos / Claude Opus 4.6 / GPT-5.4 / Gemini 3.1 Pro) SWE-bench Verified: 93.9% / 80.8% / — / 80.6% SWE-bench Pro: 77.8% / 53.4% / 57.7% / 54.2% SWE-bench Multilingual: 87.3% / 77.8% / — / — SWE-bench Multimodal: 59.0% / 27.1% / — / — Terminal-Bench 2.0: 82.0% / 65.4% / 75.1% / 68.5% GPQA Diamond: 94.5% / 91.3% / 92.8% / 94.3% MMMLU: 92.7% / 91.1% / — / 92.6–93.6% USAMO: 97.6% / 42.3% / 95.2%…

Haven't seen a jump this large since I don't even know, years? Too bad they are not releasing it anytime soon (there is no need as they are still currently the leader).

Is this even real? coming off the heals of GLM5.1's announcement this feels almost like a llama 4 launch to hedge off competition.

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Post by camdenreslink »

rafaelmn wrote: post #41
whalesalad wrote: post #33

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Honestly we are all sleeping on GPT-5.4. Particularly with the influx of Claude users recently (and increasingly unstable platform) Codex has been added to my rotation and it's surprising me.

GPT is shit at writing code. It's not dumb - extra high thinking is really good at catching stuff - but it's like letting a smart junior into your codebase - ignore all the conventions, surrounding context, just slop all over the place to get it working. Claude is just a level above in terms of editing code.

ChatGPT 5.4 with extra high reasoning has worked really well for me, and I don't notice a huge difference with Opus 4.6 with high reasoning (those are the 2 models/thinking modes I've used the most in the last month or so).
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