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Re: Tailscale's new macOS home

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cosmic_cheese wrote: post #148
alin23 wrote: post #53

The notch hiding menubar icons is such a stupid problem to have. I waste hours every week trying to help people who send me frustrated emails because they bought one of my apps and they say: "it doesn't launch" or "why doesn't it have any interface??" No amount of FAQ will help these people. And this also results in hasty refund requests and even worse, chargebacks that take 2x the amount the users paid out of my poc…

The reason things are this way is that in Apple’s view, third party devs are effectively misusing menu items. Originally it wasn’t even possible for third parties to add new menu extras using public APIs. That was something reserved for Apple. Third party devs had to use a tool called MenuCracker. When Apple finally added the API used now, the intention for it was for full fat GUI programs to provide ephemeral menu i…

That's not really defensible as an excuse, especially considering Apple's grooming of users to believe that they never need to quit applications.

All Apple had to do was add a "more" indicator at the end of the area, at the very least. Or... to give all applications' entries equal footing, collapse them all into a disclosure control once there are too many to show.

But no... once again, a simple and fair solution eludes Apple's "designers."

Re: Tailscale's new macOS home

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abustamam wrote: post #274
alin23 wrote: post #53

The notch hiding menubar icons is such a stupid problem to have. I waste hours every week trying to help people who send me frustrated emails because they bought one of my apps and they say: "it doesn't launch" or "why doesn't it have any interface??" No amount of FAQ will help these people. And this also results in hasty refund requests and even worse, chargebacks that take 2x the amount the users paid out of my poc…

I'm curious if people even cared about the half-centimeter extra screen space they got when Apple introduced the notch into MacBooks. Arguably it makes a bigger difference in iPhones so I'll grant them that, even if it does hide half of the top bar of the iPhone. But did people hate the half centimeter bezel on macs that much that they wanted to lose an inch of their task bar? Genuinely curious how we got here!

The pissing and moaning about "bezels" is cacophonous in certain echo chambers.

It's sad to see Apple taking cues from a minority group of infantile users, but that's one way we got here.

Re: Tailscale's new macOS home

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leptoniscool wrote: post #243
jwr wrote: post #240

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I never understood the logic behind the thinking there. Why would you ever want to place menubar items UNDER the notch, if you know it's there and they won't be visible? It's such an easy problem to fix, with such incredible usability consequences, I just don't get the thinking.

"Think Different"

"Courage"

Re: Tailscale's new macOS home

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Post by dangus »

philistine wrote: post #262
dangus wrote: post #257

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Is that the tradeoff they make with the Nintendo Switch? I’ve never heard the fan in my Nintendo Switch and it’s a very compact device. My Nintendo Switch 2 is also very compact, smaller and lighter than a MacBook Neo, and it can play AAA games at high frame rates (e.g., Resident Evil: Requiem) while the MacBook Neo struggles with 5 year old titles like Cyberpunk. This is a very comparable device considering it’s als…

If you cannot hear the fan in a Switch, I implore you to get your hearing checked. It’s not a noisy fan, it’s not a problem the fan is there, but it’s not silent!

I don’t believe I ever said it was silent.

Do you not agree that having a fan in the system was a good design trade-off?

Re: Tailscale's new macOS home

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Etheryte wrote: post #245
alin23 wrote: post #53

The notch hiding menubar icons is such a stupid problem to have. I waste hours every week trying to help people who send me frustrated emails because they bought one of my apps and they say: "it doesn't launch" or "why doesn't it have any interface??" No amount of FAQ will help these people. And this also results in hasty refund requests and even worse, chargebacks that take 2x the amount the users paid out of my poc…

The truth is most apps have no business having a menubar icon, but many of them cannot even be disabled out of the box. There's a number of third-party tools that help with the issue, but really this should be handled at the OS level. I want a permission similar to notifications to control whether an app can litter the menubar or not.

One thing's for sure: No application should be allowed to have a menubar item without a ToolTip. WTF, that should have been obvious from day one.

At the moment, I have 11 of them on my system (not counting the clock), a mix of third-party and Apple ones. NOT ONE of them has a ToolTip.

Even worse, if you click on them, the resulting menu does not show the name of the owning application. This too should be forced. For example, I unfortunately have to run Microsoft Teams, and its toolbar menu gives you no indication of what application it belongs to.

Re: Tailscale's new macOS home

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Post by VerifiedReports »

toraway wrote: post #129
bredren wrote: post #60

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This is not an unknown issue at the fruit co. Can anyone speculate on any rational if not good reasons for not solving this problem yet?

Probably the same response I just saw someone reply with in this very thread: "You shouldn't have so many utilities running" It's the go-to Apple user response to anything the OS doesn't support or does poorly: "Why would you want to do that?"

That's the standard apologist response to ANY defect you point out in anything, or any question they don't know the answer to but still want to bloviate about.

See: Stack Overflow

Re: Tailscale's new macOS home

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Post by VerifiedReports »

paranoidrobot wrote: post #229
emj wrote: post #223

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Windows has always baffled me with the system tray icons it is too cluttered. I grew up with a tricked out Linux desktop so I understand the need to customize. But most of the time you do not need that. I believe a VPN should stay hidden if it works, no need to have it visible.

> I believe a VPN should stay hidden if it works, no need to have it visible. Which is fine if you only have one VPN client or one VPN network and you don't need to turn it on/off or change it regularly. My current day job has one VPN client but five different networks. At a previous job I had two different clients I would need to switch on and off. It is very on-brand with Apple though that there is one right way to…

I disagree with this one. If a VPN is important, I want to see that it is still connected and hasn't crashed.

Re: Tailscale's new macOS home

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Post by VerifiedReports »

oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #232
toraway wrote: post #129

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Probably the same response I just saw someone reply with in this very thread: "You shouldn't have so many utilities running" It's the go-to Apple user response to anything the OS doesn't support or does poorly: "Why would you want to do that?"

TBF, there isn't a computer on earth that will solve that problem perfectly. At some point, "you shouldn't have so many utilities running" is perfectly acceptable advice.

No, because their icons can simply be collapsed into a disclosure control.

Re: Tailscale's new macOS home

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Post by VerifiedReports »

corlinp wrote: post #153
richardlblair wrote: post #50

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This was always my biggest gripe about using a mac, the OS that "just works". I ended up a bunch of commands I had to run and a stack of apps I needed to install for it to feel usable.

When I set up a Mac I have a short list of things that I need to install. When I set up Windows I have a much longer list of things that I need to un-install. I much prefer the former.

Whataboutism

Re: Tailscale's new macOS home

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Post by abustamam »

VerifiedReports wrote: post #292
abustamam wrote: post #274

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I'm curious if people even cared about the half-centimeter extra screen space they got when Apple introduced the notch into MacBooks. Arguably it makes a bigger difference in iPhones so I'll grant them that, even if it does hide half of the top bar of the iPhone. But did people hate the half centimeter bezel on macs that much that they wanted to lose an inch of their task bar? Genuinely curious how we got here!

The pissing and moaning about "bezels" is cacophonous in certain echo chambers. It's sad to see Apple taking cues from a minority group of infantile users, but that's one way we got here.

I mean, I don't love large bezels, but I dislike less screen real estate even more. Are the bezel nerds happy with where are now??

My android phone (OnePlus 11) has a hole punch front camera so I don't lose too much screen real estate. It's annoying sometimes but I prefer it to my mom's iPhone's giant notch.

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