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Re: Ollama is now powered by MLX on Apple Silicon in preview

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LLMs on device is the future. It's more secure and solves the problem of too much demand for inference compared to data center supply, it also would use less electricity. It's just a matter of getting the performance good enough. Most users don't need frontier model performance.

I see a lot of people are confused about the electricity claim so I'll elaborate on it more. The assumption I'm making here is that on device people will run smaller models, that can fit on their machines without needing to buy new computers. If everyone ran inference on their machine there would be no need for these massive datacenters which use huge quantities of electricity. It would utilize the machines they already have and the electricity they're already using.

People are making a comparison of the cost per inference or token or whatever and saying datacenters are more efficient which makes obvious sense. What i'm saying is if we eliminate the need for building out dozens of gigawatt datacenters completely then we would use less electricity. I feel like this makes intuitive sense. People are getting lost in the details about cost per inference, and performance on different models.

Re: Ollama is now powered by MLX on Apple Silicon in preview

#292

On-device models are the future. Users prefer them. No privacy issues. No dealing with connectivity, tokens, or changes to vendors implementations. I have an app using Foundation Model, and it works great. I only wish I could backport it to pre macOS 26 versions.

These local models are far behind the capabilities of latest Gemini Pro, Claude Opus or GPT.

Why waste time with subpar AI?

Re: Ollama is now powered by MLX on Apple Silicon in preview

#293

On-device models are the future. Users prefer them. No privacy issues. No dealing with connectivity, tokens, or changes to vendors implementations. I have an app using Foundation Model, and it works great. I only wish I could backport it to pre macOS 26 versions.

These local models are far behind the capabilities of latest Gemini Pro, Claude Opus or GPT. Why waste time with subpar AI?

They will eventually catch up, that’s the hope to avoid a techno feudalism in which too much power is in too few hands.

Re: Ollama is now powered by MLX on Apple Silicon in preview

#294

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see it as a long-term tradeoff on user freedom. You pay upfront for a capable hardware, you get your services running locally (you don’t pay subscriptions). Or you buy cheap hardware, you still need the same services “running in some cloud” for $X monthly. X goes up depending on the corporate bottom-line

In the history of cloud computing, prices have mostly only come down especially as inference becomes a commodity. Realistically, just looking at Mac prices, the cost of a computer with decent local inference would be around $6000 per person. The world is not moving back to on prem.

> Realistically, just looking at Mac prices, the cost of a computer with decent local inference would be around $6000 per person.

As someone who has hardware in that price range and plays with local LLMs: The gap between Opus or GPT and the local models is still very large for work beyond simple queries.

Self-hosted also starts making my office hot due to all of the power consumption when I use it for anything more than short queries. If you haven't heard your Mac's fans spin up much yet, running local LLMs will get you acquainted with the sound of their cooling systems at full blast.

Re: Ollama is now powered by MLX on Apple Silicon in preview

#295

On-device models are the future. Users prefer them. No privacy issues. No dealing with connectivity, tokens, or changes to vendors implementations. I have an app using Foundation Model, and it works great. I only wish I could backport it to pre macOS 26 versions.

I am concerned that local models will never benefit from the training on live requests that is surely improving cloud-only models.

This might be the cost of privacy, and it might be worth paying, unless cloud models reach an inflection point that make local models archaic.

Re: Ollama is now powered by MLX on Apple Silicon in preview

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post #193

LLMs on device is the future. It's more secure and solves the problem of too much demand for inference compared to data center supply, it also would use less electricity. It's just a matter of getting the performance good enough. Most users don't need frontier model performance.

Have you spent more than 10 min actually running LLM on a local machine? As it stands today, local LLMs don't work remotely as well as some people try to picture them, in almost every way -- speed, performance, cost, usability etc. The only upside is privacy.

Yes. I've spent months running Qwen2.5-8B on my barebones 16gb ram M4 Mac mini to handle identifying sites from google search results. It has been rock solid. I'm not even running this MLX-powered improvement on it yet.

Your idea of what people need from Local LLMs and others are different. Not everybody needs a /r/myboyfriendisai level performance.

Re: Ollama is now powered by MLX on Apple Silicon in preview

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post #284

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> Different users. Many people care about privacy and aren’t using Meta products. Yeah but if they can rake in 100x as much by making products for people who don't care about privacy, then why spend time developing stuff for people who care? There is still a small market left, of course, but that market will not have the billions of R&D behind it.

It's largely out of Meta's hands now anyway. The risk here not so much to privacy (it's Apple) but they'll walled garden the model space somehow for sure.

> but they'll walled garden the model space somehow for sure.

People have said this since Pytorch was published and it's not any more true now than it was 10 years ago.

Re: Ollama is now powered by MLX on Apple Silicon in preview

#298

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70% of the world’s population use at least one Meta property at least once per day. How many of the other 30% are too poor/young/computer illiterate to be part of an addressable market? Every company has dozens of SaaS products that store their business critical information. Amazon installs Office on each computer, Slack (they were moving away from Chime when I left), and the sales department uses SalesForce - SA’s a…

These are all great statistics, but how do you explain ClawdBot explosion. Even in lower income countries like China. So much demand that Apple can’t keep up production of Mac Minis. Why aren’t these folks going towards cloud solutions? Is it cost or is there some consideration for having more control over their data?

> Why aren’t these folks going towards cloud solutions?

They are. The majority aren't doing inference on a Mac Mini, but instead using it as a local host for cloud-based inference. You could have the same general experience on a $200 Chromebook or $300 Windows box.

Re: Ollama is now powered by MLX on Apple Silicon in preview

#299

On-device models are the future. Users prefer them. No privacy issues. No dealing with connectivity, tokens, or changes to vendors implementations. I have an app using Foundation Model, and it works great. I only wish I could backport it to pre macOS 26 versions.

Users don’t care about “privacy”. If they did, Meta and Alphabet wouldn’t be worth $1T+. Users really don’t matter at all. The revenue for AI companies will be B2B where the user is not the customer - including coding agents. Most people don’t even use computers as their primary “computing device” and most people are buying crappy low end Android phones - no I’m not saying all Android phones are crappy. But that’s wh…

It’s not all or nothing there ads trade offs. The fact that Apple still bothers to expend marketing effort on its privacy chops suggests significant numbers of people still do care.

Re: Ollama is now powered by MLX on Apple Silicon in preview

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post #165

I have an M4 Max with 48GB RAM. Anyone have any tips for good local models? Context length? Using the model recommended in the blog post (qwen3.5:35b-a3b-coding-nvfp4) with Ollama 0.19.0 and it can take anywhere between 6-25 seconds for a response (after lots of thinking) from me asking "Hello world". Is this the best that's currently achievable with my hardware or is there something that can be configured to get bet…

I made my M2 Max generate a biryani recipe for me last night with 64gb ram and the baseline qwen3.5:35b model. I used the newest ollama with MLX.

https://gist.github.com/kylehotchkiss/8f28e6c75f22a56e8d2d31...

Under 3 minutes to get all that. The thinking is amusing, my laptop got quite warm, but for a 35b model on nearly 4 year old hardware, I see the light. This is the future.

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