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Slovenia becomes first EU country to introduce fuel rationing

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Post by roenxi »

lbreakjai wrote: post #289
roenxi wrote: post #282

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> What happens when a nuclear power like India starts to lack food? Personally I think that actually seems a bit unlikely. Most of India's energy doesn't come from oil and doesn't go to agriculture. It seems plausible that the global economy will be able to overcome the food and fertiliser issues even in the short term, there is a lot of food out there. I'm expecting the threat to be more complex economic goods like…

Food quantity has never been the issue. The logistics are. Food is the most direct issue, but "just" the economic turmoil alone is reason enough to worry. No one was starving in the Weimar republic, yet ...

The logistics of food don't seem to be under any particular threat. The petrol required to get someone survival calories is not so much and the vast majority of traffic on the road is not about getting basic calories to people. I don't think any of the world's nuclear states would struggle to overcome that problem right now.

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Post by zejn »

stavros wrote: post #164
zejn wrote: post #26

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Not true. No new car is cheap, and electricity is now cheaper than gas or diesel.

My parents just bought a new BYD Dolphin, and it cost 3 EUR to go 150 km, whereas my diesel car costs 15 EUR for the same route. I don't know how people can say electric cars aren't cheaper. It's a 5x difference!

Yeah, if you're buying a new car, electric makes sense if at all possible. But a lot of people are not buying new cars, because new cars are not cheap. There's a saying that a new car loses half of its value the moment it's driven away from the dealership.

But I agree, operational costs of an EV can be much lower, if you can charge at home rates.

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Post by ThePowerOfFuet »

SirensOfTitan wrote: post #36

Scanning some of the early comments here, and acting as-if the oil and LNG disruptions is just a question of renewable investment is naive. This is the worst energy crisis in modern history, and little of the western world has really started feeling the effects yet: https://thedispatch.com/newsletter/dispatch-energy/iran-war-... Petro is pretty much upstream of everything: plastics, fertilizers, pharmaceuticals, cook…

>Petro is pretty much upstream of everything: [...] cooking oils

Wait, what?

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Post by tpm »

01100011 wrote: post #76
SirensOfTitan wrote: post #36

Scanning some of the early comments here, and acting as-if the oil and LNG disruptions is just a question of renewable investment is naive. This is the worst energy crisis in modern history, and little of the western world has really started feeling the effects yet: https://thedispatch.com/newsletter/dispatch-energy/iran-war-... Petro is pretty much upstream of everything: plastics, fertilizers, pharmaceuticals, cook…

On the plus side, Trump is helping Europe and Asia meet their climate goals. I hear diesel is running out in NSW and Queensland Australia. Good thing you don't need diesel to run mining operations. Oh wait..

Mining companies have started to invest into EV mining trucks, guess that will be even more popular now.

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Post by tpm »

testing22321 wrote: post #196
leonidasrup wrote: post #40

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Europe would be better served by doing, what France did in 1974. "As a direct result of the 1973 oil crisis, on 6 March 1974 Prime Minister Pierre Messmer announced what became known as the 'Messmer Plan', a hugely ambitious nuclear power program aimed at generating most of France's electricity from nuclear power. At the time of the oil crisis most of France's electricity came from foreign oil. " "Work on the first t…

In 20 years we’ll have one plant for $20 billion that generates electricity that is vastly more expensive than solar. No, that is a terrible idea.

The current estimate for Hinkley Point C is at £48 billion.

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Post by abenga »

c1sc0 wrote: post #279
thelastgallon wrote: post #215

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Yes, couldn't make either face masks or toilet paper during covid. Most people will find out how fragile everything is with idiot MBAs optimizing just-in-time for better quarterly reports!

Good! Then a much-needed correction in behavior will follow.

If the Covid shutdown didn't trigger this, what makes you think this time it's different?

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Post by tpm »

veqq wrote: post #258
tialaramex wrote: post #176

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> Europe would be better served by doing, what France did in 1974. This is 2026. Doing things in 1974 isn't an option because time's arrow points the wrong way. If you want Europe to do things now that it should have done in 1974 you'd need to explain how it'll stall on all the consequences for years. France, which you held up as a model says it can build a nuclear generator in about 5-6 years, but none of these opti…

You can put up a plant in 5 years without erroneous regulation.

Do you have some examples of that in the last decades?

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Post by 1718627440 »

UncleOxidant wrote: post #152
IsTom wrote: post #136

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Oil going through Hormuz is 20%, not 80% of global supply. It's true that demand is pretty inelastic, but it's not like it can't be cut at all.

Who mentioned 80%? During the 1973–74 Arab oil embargo, the disruption removed approximately 4.5 million barrels per day (mb/d) from the market, which constituted about 7% of the global oil supply at the time. This disruption significantly impacted global supplies. 20% is a lot more than 7%. This could be worse than 1973-74. As a 10year-old in 1973 I remember spending a lot of time in the backseat of the station wago…

Somebody probably has another virus in stock. /s

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Post by defrost »

01100011 wrote: post #156
WastedCucumber wrote: post #116

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I was just talking to a kiwi yesterday about diesel. The price has more than doubled already there. So there goes large chunk of the US beef supply.

According to Unusual Whales on Twitter, Australia just ordered an emergency fuel shipment from the US: https://x.com/unusual_whales/status/2037650368390144243

Unusual Whales paraphrased a Sky News article (Fox-lite) which quoted sans context Lurion De Mello of Macquarie University (the Transforming Energy Markets Research Centre) who himself sourced infomation from LSEG

* https://theconversation.com/australia-has-plenty-of-diesel-f...

* https://www.lseg.com/en

Lurion De Mello thinks (to the best of his human recall) that would be the first US shipment of processed fuel (bowser ready) in decades (although he factors in he might be wrong about that) but acknowledged that US shipments of crude (unrefined) are more common.

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