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Having Kids (2019)

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Re: Having Kids (2019)

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I often wonder in these threads what proportion of the commenters is male. HN skews heavily male, and statistically speaking, fathers are spared a huge chunk of the physical and mental burdens of pregnancy, birth, and parenting. Being a mom and being a dad are not equivalent, and I have a feeling that not many male HNers would readily swap places if such thing were possible.

Assuming the income stays the same, I'd happily swap places. I suspect many people would. There are 2 further points: 1. I'd say the ideal setting is for both parents to work and hire a sitter even though it might financially net the same (or affordably negative) as having one stay-at-home parent. Because a human needs community and diverse things to do, not just one thing over and over everyday for years. Both of th…

granted our kids were easy, but kids don't need to sleep by themselves. see attachment parenting. we let the kids sleep in our bed which solved the sleeping problem and the feeding problem because the kids could get milk at night without my wife having to get up and be wide awake.

i can't speak for my wife's experience directly, but while she complained about other issues, lack of sleep was never her problem.

and the idea that work gives you more community than staying at home is nonsense. we always had family and friends around, and taking the babies to events or visit others is also a non issue.

about swapping places, i did. when our first was 1 year old, my wife started to work. i was always working from home, and i loved the idea if taking care of the kids at home, it's been something i wanted to do all my life, except when it actually happened i was lost. i didn't know what to do with the kids and things only got better for me when i started working part-time and we hired a maid. but this was my problem, it wasn't at all my wife's problem while she was at home. also, as the kids got older, things got easier, and i'd happily repeat the experience now that i am better prepared for it.

practically speaking the most annoying part of my wife working for both of us was breastmilk pumping. the benefits of going to work are not worth that hassle.

Re: Having Kids (2019)

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Before having kids, I expected it to be this huge life changing thing. That it would effectively end the part of my life where I was free to do whatever I wanted, and start the part where I was just Daddy, doing nothing except serving my childrens' needs. But that didn't happen. We just carried on being Jason and his partner, but with a baby in tow. I had spent most of my 30s cramming in as much "living" as possible,…

It happened to me and now, after more than 8 years, I find myself still in the situation where I am serving my children's needs and not having time to satisfy my personal ones. They go to bed when I am also tired. Trying to having an hobby past their bed time means sacrifying sleep time. Travelling is also a challenge, since they lack interesting in seeing something new, but just want to have fun playing, especially…

we didn't do that much traveling with our kids but we move to new places. when traveling you have to consider your kids interest, so museums are probably out. fortunately i don't care much for that either. we travel to visit family and friends and then do interesting things together, which is much more exciting for the kids.

as a freelancer, instead of sacrificing sleep time i reduced my work time.

work and personal time | family time | sleep.

whatever you do, don't sacrifice on sleep time.

Re: Having Kids (2019)

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post #28

This is one of my favourites from PG, not least because it's a bit antithetical to what I perceive as a growing trend among smart, ambitious people (for whom children might represent friction, inconvenience, etc)... as well as folks for whom COL is making the question irrelevant due to practical concerns. Actually, it's really striking that even in America -- the developed country with the #1 highest birthrate -- sti…

birth control also plays a role in it

Re: Having Kids (2019)

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As a 52 year old I specifically avoided having kids. For decades I have been convinced that we are speed-running into a global environmental crisis that we will continue to ignore until it is far too late and this will result in associated resources wars and I never wanted to doom other people into having to live through that. I sincerely hope for the sake of those of you who made a different choice that I turn out t…

people managed to reproduce when genghis khan was in charge but somehow donald trump is too much

Re: Having Kids (2019)

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> On the other hand, what kind of wimpy ambition do you have if it won't survive having kids? Do you have so little to spare? I don't know, it seems like parenthood asks for a lot to be given up. Younger people like myself are already struggling to live on their own where I am. There's not a lot that can be spared by most of us. To me, having a child means heavily straining your financial safety - here, care for this…

You exist solely to procreate. I could not imagine an emptier life, than one without children.

Even if I'm philosophically in agreement with you, I'm pretty sure insulting other people choices or insecurities has never been a great way to increase birth rates.

Re: Having Kids (2019)

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> Partly, and I won't deny it, this is because of serious chemical changes that happened almost instantly when our first child was born. It was like someone flipped a switch. I suddenly felt protective not just toward our child, but toward all children. As I was driving my wife and new son home from the hospital, I approached a crosswalk full of pedestrians, and I found myself thinking "I have to be really careful of all these people. Every one of them is someone's child!"

One thing Ive observed about Americans is how less of this feeling exists, without having kids etc. Like why the f does he not care for pedestrians before having a kid? Did he believe that adult humans just apparated out of nowhere? I see this a lot in how people drive, too.

I believe it is a result of the hyper-indivialistic and hyper-capitalist society rather than something innate in the people. I do think Americans deserve (and should demand and build) a better system.

Re: Having Kids (2019)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you honestly think those miserable parents stay miserable for the long term or might that be a temporary bump in the ride?

Messing up your kid's life is a temporary bump? Plenty of dysfunctional/traumatised families out there, just look around...

Every parent “messes” up their kids life, its a matter of degree. Its part of the human experience.

Re: Having Kids (2019)

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post #47

Kids aren’t for everyone. Please don’t guilt-trip people for not having them. (I know this article isn’t doing that.) https://wearechildfree.com/ Disclosure: Zoë is my cousin.

Of course people are free not to have kids... But I've always find it weird to "celebrates childfree lives". And I'm frankly annoyed by the growing activism to ban kids from public places in the name of "adults quietness".

We celebrate the other option so why not celebrate child free lives? It seems like historically a lot of people have had to make this decision not by their own will or need. Showing people that they can have just as compelling lives as parents is a net-good.

Re: Having Kids (2019)

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post #47

Kids aren’t for everyone. Please don’t guilt-trip people for not having them. (I know this article isn’t doing that.) https://wearechildfree.com/ Disclosure: Zoë is my cousin.

Of course people are free not to have kids... But I've always find it weird to "celebrates childfree lives". And I'm frankly annoyed by the growing activism to ban kids from public places in the name of "adults quietness".

> But I've always find it weird to "celebrates childfree lives".

It's more about making it clear to other people that hassling me to have kids is not okay.

My bestie is Australian-Italian. My god the shit she's got from her family over her life. At one point in her early 40s she told me she stopped going to family gatherings, such was the incessant pressure from relatives.

We need to understand that some people – me and my partner are two of them – do not like and do not want children. So please, for the love of god, stop asking women about it. (Nobody asks me, a dude, fwiw.)

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