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Re: Warranty Void If Regenerated

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Post by mwigdahl »

fzeroracer wrote: post #207
chii wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> preface explaining it was written by an LLM why can't the quality of the works stand on its own? Whether there's LLM generation or not should be irrelevant.

Because 'quality' is a misnomer. LLM writing has quality in the same way that a press release from a big company has quality, or a professional contract written by a lawyer has quality. It is functional, generally typo-free and conforms to most standards but that doesn't mean it has flavor or spice to it. Creative writing is the intent to convey feelings, thoughts, to create atmosphere. Here's a great example of the…

I took that phrase differently. The story makes the point that the AIs fail when metrics of quality can't be expressed in words. The use of a bare "adequate" reinforces the opacity of the coffee's quality. Certainly it would have worked well to use more words to convey specifics of the "adequacy" as you mention, but IMO that would have undercut the link back to the theme of human ineffability.

Obviously everyone's mileage may vary, but I didn't see this as a huge defect, and actually felt it worked pretty well.

Re: Warranty Void If Regenerated

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Post by Sky_Knight »

I loved the story... It felt comforting in a way I haven't experienced in quite a while. With everyone around me stressed about becoming obsolete... I mean - thank you! It was a bit difficult to read, but it never felt generated to be honest. There is a big difference between one shot generated stories and this. People tend to forget that as much as we don't want to admit - we, as humans, are simply generators of actions, reacting on much larger context... LLMs are not yet even close to us, but are actually way ahead of some of us. When someone spent so much effort on context preparation, the least I would do is congratulate you for the effort and in the end - a very nice story.

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Post by vovavili »

I am surprised to learn that we live in times where people can write fictional stories this good with the help of AI, this is the first one to me. The future of fiction and story-telling looks very promising.

Re: Warranty Void If Regenerated

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Post by dsunds »

I really enjoyed it and I would like to know more about the editorial process used and how similar it is to the feedback loops and constraints being used for software development. How much of this plot was generated versus specified.

Re: Warranty Void If Regenerated

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Post by hmokiguess »

wrl wrote: post #280
hmokiguess wrote: post #250

Folks labeling "AI generated" might be jumping the gun considering OP described his process took him the last couple months and then some for this project. Call it what you want, but I think this sits better with "AI assisted" and, perhaps, really well supervised full of the human intent behind of it. Then again, labels are strange, we call algorithmic and synthesizer assisted music "electronic" music these days and…

How about "AI ghostwritten"? That's a much closer parallel, and some commercially successful musicians similarly are "ghost produced".

Ghost produced isn't a good parallel here, the "ghost" in ghost produced comes from the NDA when acquiring a track from a different producer, which, most often is a human.

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Post by hmokiguess »

cestith wrote: post #285
hmokiguess wrote: post #246

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Maybe it's because I think your comment throws away a lot of relevant context from OP's submission on HN. He says he spent months on this piece and then some, I think it's safe to assume here that this was well supervised, guided, thoughtful and full of human intent despite the AI-assisted part. In short, I think calling it "AI generated" takes all the human effort that went into these months and the ingenious creati…

Reading it, I get the feeling the author worked the story the way Tom Hartmann works those agricultural machines. The AI gave input, but the author was tweaking it with human knowledge and wisdom.

Me too, and I think that's a really cool metalinguistic aspect of it!

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Post by wrl »

hmokiguess wrote: post #296
wrl wrote: post #280

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How about "AI ghostwritten"? That's a much closer parallel, and some commercially successful musicians similarly are "ghost produced".

Ghost produced isn't a good parallel here, the "ghost" in ghost produced comes from the NDA when acquiring a track from a different producer, which, most often is a human.

My impression was that the "ghost" comes less from the formal NDA and more from the fact that somebody else produces/writes the work and is uncredited for doing so. Then, the "author"/"producer" passes it off as their own work.

Re: Warranty Void If Regenerated

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Post by hmokiguess »

wrl wrote: post #298
hmokiguess wrote: post #296

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ghost produced isn't a good parallel here, the "ghost" in ghost produced comes from the NDA when acquiring a track from a different producer, which, most often is a human.

My impression was that the "ghost" comes less from the formal NDA and more from the fact that somebody else produces/writes the work and is uncredited for doing so. Then, the "author"/"producer" passes it off as their own work.

Yeah that's both true and the fact that it is a work for hire where the agreement implies the original author cannot claim credit, hence, turn into a ghost.

I think the difference here is that the AI isn't a "work for hire" setup, it's more like a tool. It would be closer to buying algo sample packs, using Apple's Logic Pro AI drummer for part of the work, or other drum machines for example, and working your way around to glue them together into a composition.

The parallel would need to be between "tool" "composition", rather than "author" "composition" imo.

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Post by ijk »

the_af wrote: post #135
the_axiom wrote: post #96

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the story is bad in itself and doesn't add anything to the reader but if you knew it came from a human it would be interesting as a window to learning what the writer was thinking since there is no writer such window doesn't exist either

Very well said. You cannot even get angry or upset if you disagree with anything in the story, maybe the author’s despicable worldview permeating through the characters... because there's no author’s worldview, because there's no author. It's a window into nothing, except perhaps the myriad of stories in the model's training set. I want to at least have to option of getting upset at the author.

Someone prompted it to write that, and then posted it, so I suppose there's a meta-author to get upset at.

It's kind of an abandonment of having a worldview, outsourcing it to the AI.

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