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Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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paulbjensen wrote: post #135
bearjaws wrote: post #8

Feel like the canary was when Grokpedia became a project. Giant waste of time while Anthropic/OAI keep surging forward. I also keep hearing this narrative that Twitter is a good data source, but I cannot imagine it's a valuable dataset. Sure keeping up with realtime topics can be useful, but I am not sure how much of a product that is.

The Twitter social graph was an amazing data asset. I worked at a consumer insights firm and the data on followers/followings was quite powerful. Using a custom taxonomy of things (celebrities, influencers, magazines, brands, tv shows, films, games, all kinds of things), we could identify groups of people who liked certain things, and when you looked at what those things were, it gave you a way of understanding who t…

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Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Post by 0x3f »

hermanzegerman wrote: post #263
dan-robertson wrote: post #260

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Why does being a top AI researcher so often come with this philosophical bent you describe?

Because they can afford it, they are very sought after. And smart people usually have moral convictions. I know for some people on this website it's hard to understand, but not everything in life is about $$$

> And smart people usually have moral convictions.

Are you sure you don't just like the moral convictions and so engage in trait bundling?

Moral knowledge doesn't really exist. I mean you can have personal views on it, but the lack of falsifiability makes me suspect it wouldn't be well-correlated with intelligence.

Smarter people can discuss more layered or chic moral theories as they relate to theoretical AI, maybe.

Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Post by watwut »

kvetching wrote: post #275
jazzpush2 wrote: post #249

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In an interview with xAI I was literally told that certain parts of the model have to align with Elon, and that Elon can call us and demand anything at anytime. No thanks!

I don't see the problem with this. The chatbot is the most important part of Grok, so it makes sense Elon would be dogfooding it then providing suggestions.. He wants it to be truthful... It was shown on benchmarks recently that it hallucinates the least...

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Post by throwaway5752 »

natch wrote: post #253
throwaway5752 wrote: post #184

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Musk * gave a Nazi Sigg Heil salute (twice) at a political even, on video. Famously. * has consistently supported a German political party that re-uses Nazi slogans, minimizes or outright denies the Holocaust, minimizes the criminality of the SS * frequently and consistently upvotes posts on X echoing white supremacist and Nazi ideology on his social media site * owns the most popular site for neo-Nazis To say "is no…

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They aren't specious, though. There's ample public record evidence. You can't rebut them because they are part of the historical record.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joV-9FFoA3Q is the "Sigg Heil" video. Anyone can see with their own eyes.

https://www.npr.org/2025/01/27/nx-s1-5276084/elon-musk-germa... is where Musk says, "Frankly too much of a focus on past guilt and we need to move beyond that. Children should not be guilty of the sins of their parents, let alone their parents, their great-grandparents." - referring the Holocaust, just 80 years ago, in which 13 million people were systematically rounded up, placed in concentration campls, and mass murdered by the government, including 6 million Jewish people.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/nov/16/elon-musk... "You have said the actual truth"

Regarding Twitter / X, after he took over:

According to data provided by the research company Memetica to The New York Times, in the past month, Elon Musk's platform featured 46,000 posts with the hashtag #HitlerWasRight, compared to an average of less than 5,000 posts per month in previous months (an increase of 820%). Posts with the hashtags #DeathtotheJews or #DeathtoJews appeared 51,000 times in the last month, marking a surge of 2,450%.

This is the guy claiming to try to make a trustworthy foundational model. There are deeper reasons for Grok's market share problems than the founding team or coding capability. You can't talk about this event and ignore it. He's trying to take Space X public and it's only going to get worse. His personal brand is dragging down his companies, as far as I can tell Tesla has lost 25-50% of their EV market share in Europe in the past 2 years? The problem is not just BYD.

This ignores his publicly acknowledged drug use that has led to tension with his boards of directors https://www.wsj.com/business/elon-musk-illegal-drugs-e826a9e...

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Post by Fricken »

Marazan wrote: post #173
repple wrote: post #167

Their goal of moving compute to space combined with their capacity to launch tons of payload will make this look like a tiny blip.

What is the benefit of "moving compute to space"?

Here's an explainer video: https://youtu.be/Jth4yATniS4?si=zIzZXwLk6RTgyeCQ&t=37

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jarrettcoggin wrote: post #273
jazzpush2 wrote: post #249

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In an interview with xAI I was literally told that certain parts of the model have to align with Elon, and that Elon can call us and demand anything at anytime. No thanks!

From my time at Tesla, this is 100% the case. When Elon asked for something, it was “drop what you are doing and deliver it”, then you got pressed to still deliver the thing you were already working on against the original timeline before the interrupt.

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Post by UncleOxidant »

koakuma-chan wrote: post #47
UncleOxidant wrote: post #43

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> Giant waste of time while Anthropic/OAI keep surging forward. And Google. They're quietly making a lot of progress in the coding space with antigravity and Gemini 3.1.

Has Antigravity gotten any better?

I find it pretty good. And Gemini 3.1 pro seems quite capable. Not as good at some things as Claude, but better at others. I was trying to target a verilog design to an uncommon FPGA and board and Gemini went out and searched for the FPGA docs and examined the schematics for the board in able to do the pin assignments (generated .ccf file). Not sure of Claude could've done that.

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Post by sroussey »

sheepscreek wrote: post #172
bearjaws wrote: post #8

Feel like the canary was when Grokpedia became a project. Giant waste of time while Anthropic/OAI keep surging forward. I also keep hearing this narrative that Twitter is a good data source, but I cannot imagine it's a valuable dataset. Sure keeping up with realtime topics can be useful, but I am not sure how much of a product that is.

AFAIK Grok still doesn’t have a CLI coding agent that works with a subscription. That’s a shame. Grok Code Fast 1 was pretty impressive when it came out - for what it did, and they never followed it up with a new version.

You can use cursor with grok, though my experience is that grok is the worst of the API providers cursor supports.

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Post by vessenes »

jamespo wrote: post #198
vessenes wrote: post #191

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There's some texture here. Elon's enriched pretty much everybody who's ever worked for and invested with him. He makes money for people throughout his orgs. Many ex-employees have said to me: "incredible opportunity, made great money, worked insanely hard, once is plenty".

There's probably a lot of survivor bias going on there

Undoubtedly. With 2.5T in value between tsla and sx that’s a lot of value for survivors.
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