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US- and Greek-owned tankers ablaze after Iran claims 'underwater drone' strike

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Post by Schmerika »

constantius wrote: post #285
Schmerika wrote: post #268

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You still think this problem is one sided? Dems had Trump dead to rights for insurrection. They had everything in the Epstein files and didn't drop it. They told you they were working tirelessly for a ceasefire - while unilaterally vetoing 4 of them at the UN. Genocide. They armed genocide . Which we could all see on our phones. They loved arming it so much, they decided they'd rather keep arming it than gain million…

A controversial take unfortunately. Americans are under the delusion that Democrats are the second coming of Christ, even after it enabled and took part in genocide. To anyone outside of the West, the differences between the two parties are inexistent. The memoryholing of all Democrats' failures, corruption, and horror is painful to watch. But they do it with a different kind of posturing, and this seems to be suffic…

> this seems to be sufficient to most.

Yeah that's the really painful bit alright. The pretence isn't even good.

But they'll get so mad at you for pointing out the obvious.

It's been this way for a long time - MLK pointed all this out 6 decades ago. It's gotten worse since, to the point where over 98% of US voters in 2024 didn't hold enabling live-streamed genocide as a red line for their vote.

I'll keep talking about it, and USians will probably keep getting mad at me for it. Ah well.

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Post by infamia »

Teever wrote: post #277
infamia wrote: post #275

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You're comparing apples, bananas, and pineapples while pretending they're all one thing. Switchblades are extremely effective (albeit expensive) anti-personnel (300 model) and anti-armor (600 model) drones. Shaheds are much larger, cheap, low on capabilities, but attritable used to attack fixed positions (e.g., buildings). These are all very different.

That's the point -- maybe the US should have bought apples instead of buying bananas.

I don't understand your point. Switchblades are (roughly) more akin to FPV (300 model) and Vampire drones (600 model) with reapect to size and payloads. Shahed style drones are roughly like like low end cruise missles. Different form factors and different capabilities. All of them are needed, but they're all very different.

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Post by toyg »

margalabargala wrote: post #88
jagged-chisel wrote: post #81

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I’m keeping a link to this comment to see how well it ages

It's currently historically accurate. It's aged 250 years so far. Civil war? Elections. WWII? Elections. Covid? Elections.

Fascist Italy also held "elections", like China and Russia do today. "Elections" is not a magic concept.

Free elections, on the other hand...

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Post by toyg »

NetMageSCW wrote: post #195
readthenotes1 wrote: post #169

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If they have one, First they start by replacing the Supreme Court with their own minions. Start to worry of the Republicans start talking about expanding the Supreme Court to add their own to it

That play already showed its limits with the tariff decision. They can’t stuff the Supreme Court with followers.

They can and they did. What the tariff decision shows is simply that, on very specific topics (in this case, big business), their base is significantly split: on one side the populist masses, on the other the wealthy elites. When the chips are down, the current USSC is connected the latter more than to the former, and will vote accordingly.

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Post by toyg »

amelius wrote: post #135
toyg wrote: post #26

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These people live on manufacturing crisis after crisis in order to exploit the manic status that they generate. Why worry about how the midterms, if you can create a situation where elections cannot be held at all...? Yes, it sounds crazy right now, but a lot of things sounded similarly crazy 10 years ago, and here we are.

> Why worry about how the midterms, if you can create a situation where elections cannot be held at all...? But they claimed "flawless victory". Both things cannot be true at the same time.

They also claimed Iran's nuclear threat was no more, last year. And still here we are.

Their concept of truth lasts only as long as a single news cycle (sometimes even less).

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Post by cherry_tree »

infamia wrote: post #292
Teever wrote: post #277

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That's the point -- maybe the US should have bought apples instead of buying bananas.

I don't understand your point. Switchblades are (roughly) more akin to FPV (300 model) and Vampire drones (600 model) with reapect to size and payloads. Shahed style drones are roughly like like low end cruise missles. Different form factors and different capabilities. All of them are needed, but they're all very different.

A cruise missile is 3,000,000$ and a shahed drone is 50,000$ so if it’s even remotely the same capability it is an immense technological improvement over an expensive and slow to manufacture cruise missile.

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Post by ultratalk »

realo wrote: post #230
ultratalk wrote: post #217

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I suppose that the specifics of what I said were mistaken, but the general sentiment remains the same. It doesn't seem like this conflict will last as long as the embargo, and when one of the largest investors into new technologies has firmly refused to acknowledge the necessities of renewables, progress and adoption will certainly slow down.

"... when one of the largest investor into new technologies ..." No. Sorry but China has not firmly refused to acknowledge the necessity of renewables. Quite the contrary, actually.

I specifically said "one of the largest", not just "the largest". The US is (was?) the second-largest investor in clean energy [0].

[0] https://www.iea.org/data-and-statistics/charts/annual-invest...

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Post by infamia »

cherry_tree wrote: post #297
infamia wrote: post #292

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand your point. Switchblades are (roughly) more akin to FPV (300 model) and Vampire drones (600 model) with reapect to size and payloads. Shahed style drones are roughly like like low end cruise missles. Different form factors and different capabilities. All of them are needed, but they're all very different.

A cruise missile is 3,000,000$ and a shahed drone is 50,000$ so if it’s even remotely the same capability it is an immense technological improvement over an expensive and slow to manufacture cruise missile.

You need a high/low capability that mixes all levels. For example, the Ukrainians and the Russians are both manufacturing very expensove cruise missles (Neptune/Iskander) and long range attack drones (shahed/fp-2/lute/etc). At any rate the original post I was responding to was comparing Switchblades to Shaheds, which is non-sensical.

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Post by Hikikomori »

epistasis wrote: post #265
Hikikomori wrote: post #245

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This time he has his own brown shirts, even fast tracking to to service without any training. DoJ had been getting their hands on voter rolls from swing states. Bondi and other trump top advisors and relocated to living on military bases. Idk where it's going but it's really not looking good.

Yes, it's going to look bad, and Jan 6 was just a trial run. Now all those criminals that have been freed are in the ranks of a supposed "police" force that self-equips from US Patriot Tactical. But there's not enough of them. Even for Minneapolis, a mid-size city. There might be a few targeted attacks, lots of voter intimidation, but the US is a very big place, and the ranks are too small, and their popularity is ti…

Might be true if you didn't have the electoral college.
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