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Create value for others and don’t worry about the returns

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Re: Create value for others and don’t worry about the returns

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Post by titanomachy »

JonChesterfield wrote: post #201

This is a trap for engineers. If you don't worry about the returns, you won't get any. There are circumstances where that is fine. Be sure you're in one of them first.

Yeah, but the order is still

1. create value, then

2. capture some of that created value.

Some people want to skip step 1.

Some bigco jobs have felt that way to me: I don't know if I'm actually creating anything valuable, but I'm getting paid. I think the people who are most anxious right now are the ones who suspect they're not really creating anything of real-world value, and they're terrified that they're about to stop getting paid as well.

Re: Create value for others and don’t worry about the returns

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Post by [deleted] »

mike_hearn wrote: post #226
deaux wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's look at other wealthy countries with large economies. Germany, Japan, UK, France, Italy, Canada, Spain, Australia, South Korea, the Netherlands, Switzerland, Taiwan.. Which of these have trouble verifying identity reliably, to the extent that it would be a meaningful obstacle to UBI?

Even if governments were perfect at ID verification it wouldn't change the argument above, right? Being perfect at verifying UBI eligibility would require a large government infrastructure, just like today, so you can't claim that the U part makes it super cheap to administer. But no government is close to perfect. Here are some examples for your edification. The UK doesn't even know how many people are living there,…

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Re: Create value for others and don’t worry about the returns

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Post by sfn42 »

auggierose wrote: post #239
sfn42 wrote: post #227

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I just do my job to the best of my ability. If I can help a colleague I do. I don't expect to get explicitly credited for everything I do. If my employer can't see or don't care about the value I bring, I simply go to one who values me higher. I refuse to participate in office politics and that kind of BS.

If you are employed, by definition you have outsourced the worries about the return on the value you create to your employer.

Not really sure what your point is. The employer is worried about getting good return on their investment in me, I am worried about getting good return on the time I'm investing in the company.

So my interest is that they recognize that I provide value, and pay me accordingly. It's possible that they recognize my value but choose to underpay.

I want them to pay me as much as possible, they want to pay me as little as possible. We reach a compromise, and if a different company offers a better deal I take it. That's their incentive to pay me a competitive salary. Doesn't matter what I say or how well I play office politics, they are most likely going to try to get a bargain and I am most likely going to leave for a better deal because there's always someone willing to pay more.

Re: Create value for others and don’t worry about the returns

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Post by giwook »

zozbot234 wrote: post #280
ramraj07 wrote: post #259

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Not everyone knows who geohot is and even if they do they may not see the url handle. They may (like me) think why is a glorified shower thought tweet on top of HN. They may not know that this dude was an anti-masker (with nuance) for example. This could really make them decide not to even spend too much time thinking about the passage which in theory is profound for 10 seconds but no further. As much as ad hominem a…

> They may not know that this dude was an anti-masker (with nuance) for example. Why are we supposed to care about that? There was a time when "masks do not work" was very much the conventional wisdom.

Conventional for whom?

Re: Create value for others and don’t worry about the returns

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Post by drcongo »

petcat wrote: post #275
ludston wrote: post #270

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They didn't. The point is that they stop you from giving covid to other people.

It's a distinction without a difference. Masks served to reduce the herd from spreading covid. Including other people giving it to you.

You do realise that surgeons don't wear those masks to stop them from catching something right?

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Post by pydry »

ramraj07 wrote: post #259
hombre_fatal wrote: post #243

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I don't think HN needs the top comment to be a vague attack on someone in response to a blog post that the comment doesn't even interact with.

Not everyone knows who geohot is and even if they do they may not see the url handle. They may (like me) think why is a glorified shower thought tweet on top of HN. They may not know that this dude was an anti-masker (with nuance) for example. This could really make them decide not to even spend too much time thinking about the passage which in theory is profound for 10 seconds but no further. As much as ad hominem a…

>They may not know that this dude was an anti-masker (with nuance) for example

If you're going to ad hominem, at least give a citation.

>As much as ad hominem attacks are not great approaches, the one scenario I feel it's justified

Because reasons?

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