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Online age-verification tools for child safety are surveilling adults

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Re: Online age-verification tools for child safety are surveilling adults

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Post by asdff »

I am sympathetic to the privacy concerns.

But to be honest I don't understand where they come from. Seems people are upset about being de anonymized on the internet. It was my understanding that it is trivial for the government to deanonymize you directly through their own tooling and trivial for private industry to deanonymize you through statistical analysis.

So in that sense, what new thing are we fearing that will come to bear that hasn't come to bear already? Seems to me we are already in a post anonymous world and just maybe most people don't understand that memo until this story came out. Media runs with it so much because people read about it not because it is actually anything new per say.

Re: Online age-verification tools for child safety are surveilling adults

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Post by CamperBob2 »

asdff wrote: post #291

I am sympathetic to the privacy concerns. But to be honest I don't understand where they come from. Seems people are upset about being de anonymized on the internet. It was my understanding that it is trivial for the government to deanonymize you directly through their own tooling and trivial for private industry to deanonymize you through statistical analysis. So in that sense, what new thing are we fearing that wil…

... says "asdff."

Re: Online age-verification tools for child safety are surveilling adults

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Post by asdff »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #292
asdff wrote: post #291

I am sympathetic to the privacy concerns. But to be honest I don't understand where they come from. Seems people are upset about being de anonymized on the internet. It was my understanding that it is trivial for the government to deanonymize you directly through their own tooling and trivial for private industry to deanonymize you through statistical analysis. So in that sense, what new thing are we fearing that wil…

... says "asdff."

Lack of creativity for that username really. Slapped home row and called it a day. But still I'm sure FBI knows exactly who I am. Same for European and middle eastern intelligence orgs. I'm sure ad networks all over the world have me fingerprinted, especially considering I run firefox and block ads, like that alone narrows me down to probably less than a million people globally, maybe substantially less than that.

And this is just me spitballing. Imagine if this is your life's career, 40 hours a week for 40 years, plus a whole department of coworkers all on this effort. And multiple companies and governments each with their own departments on these efforts. How far this would have advanced by now what 30+ years into world wide public computer networks. How far ahead the state of the art actually is compared to what the public must assume. What lawmakers must assume.

Re: Online age-verification tools for child safety are surveilling adults

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Post by array_key_first »

eikenberry wrote: post #241
ErigmolCt wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the credit card point though, cards don't work perfectly as age verification either. Plenty of minors can access prepaid cards or family cards

Prepaid cards can't masquerade as credit cards as there are easy ways to differentiate them (the numbers have meaning) and a minor getting access to the family credit card is the parents giving them permission. I'm not convinced credit card for age verification is a good solution for all cases but for cases where you've already used a credit card to access the service it would be perfect.

I agree, we shouldn't be optimizing for the case where a child steals a credit card. That's just not in the threat model. I mean, they could steal IDs too, and children can already steal credit cards and buy, like, vbucks or whatever. Which probably causes more tangible real-world harm than seeing a pair of boobies or whatever we're trying to protect against.

However, I still think credit cards are overkill. They reveal way too much information, including addresses. I wouldn't trust most companies with my credit card either, at least not online. In person it's different, the scanners are secure especially if you use tap to pay. But online, you just have a pinky promise that your info isn't being stored.

Frankly, I'm getting sick and tired of being put in the situation where I have no choice but to just blindly trust people to do the right thing. Obviously, it's not working, and we need real solutions.

Re: Online age-verification tools for child safety are surveilling adults

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Post by petcat »

vablings wrote: post #278
petcat wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> China has much lower crime, cheaper healthcare and is making progress in other aspects. China is also a horrifying place to live unless you are content just to participate quietly in society and never put a political sign in your yard or even just talk about the wrong thing with your friend in a private WeChat. https://reclaimthenet.org/china-man-chair-interrogation-soci...

I mean such is life for anyone who is not a full-blown citizen of the United States. If you speak bad of the current administration or its allies expect to be punished extrajudicially

> If you speak bad of the current administration or its allies expect to be punished extrajudicially

I have no fear of calling the current US president a pedo, or saying "Fuck the Police" on my Twitter.

Let's not equate the USA to places like China or Russia.

Re: Online age-verification tools for child safety are surveilling adults

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Post by gnarlouse »

I'm literally about to stop using the internet and go back to using cash for everything. These people can promptly (and sharply) go fuck themselves. so sick of mankind turning into a farm of the have-nots for the haves to profit off of.

And I'm sick of being strapped to a population of have-nots that are too fuck-dumb to do anything about it.

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