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Claude's Cycles [pdf]

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Re: Claude's Cycles [pdf]

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I didn't understand. Can you clarify?

If LLMs' internal representations are essentially one-to-one mappings of input texts with no additional structure, how can those representations be useful for tasks like object manipulation in robotics? How is transfer learning possible when non-textual training data enhances performance on textual tasks?

I didn't mean it is a one to one mapping from tokens. But instead it might be mapping a corpus of input text to some points in some multi dimensional space, (just like the input data a linear regression), then then it just extends the line further across that space to get the output.

>How is transfer learning possible when non-textual training data enhances performance on textual tasks?

If non-textual training data can be mapped to the same multi-dimensional space ( by using them alongside textual data during training or something like that), then shouldn't it be possible to do what you describe?

Re: Claude's Cycles [pdf]

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That was probably phrased poorly. If a robot can independently accurately do what an intelligent person would do when placed in a novel situation, then yes, I would say it is intelligent. If it's just basically being a puppet, then no. You tell me what claude code is more like, a puppet, or a person?

It is neither puppet or a person. It is a computer program.

As much as a bundle of an mp3 decoder and a terabyte of mp3 music are "just a program".

Re: Claude's Cycles [pdf]

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Well, for starters, I think it's wrong to criticise LLMs with ‘it can't do that’ (from what I understood from the first paragraph, this was Donald's criticism).

If it can, does it make a difference in relation to all the other problematic aspects of LLMs? Not for me.

Two links that might enlighten Donald:

- Against the Uncritical Adoption of 'AI' Technologies in Academia https://zenodo.org/records/17065099 - The AI Con https://thecon.ai

Re: Claude's Cycles [pdf]

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It's fascinating to think about the space of problems which are amenable to RL scaling of these probability distributions. Before, we didn't have a fast (we had to rely on human cognition) way to try problems - even if the techniques and workflows were known by someone. Now, we've baked these patterns into probability distributions - anyone can access them with the correct "summoning spell". Experts will naturally us…

This seems to be a bot comment. HN will lose its value if these bots are not purged.

Can you explain to me what makes this an obvious bot comment? I'm not doubting it, I just don't understand.

Re: Claude's Cycles [pdf]

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It's fascinating to think about the space of problems which are amenable to RL scaling of these probability distributions. Before, we didn't have a fast (we had to rely on human cognition) way to try problems - even if the techniques and workflows were known by someone. Now, we've baked these patterns into probability distributions - anyone can access them with the correct "summoning spell". Experts will naturally us…

> In 2030, how is Anthropic going to keep Claude "up-to-date" In 2030 Anthropic hopes Claude will keep Anthropic "up-to-date" on its progress on itself. I'm only half joking here.

Will Anthropic be alive in 2030?

Re: Claude's Cycles [pdf]

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My interpretation is that Claude did what Knuth considers to be the "solution". Doing the remaining work and polishing up the proof are not necessary to have a solution from this perspective.

Claude did not find a proof, though. It found an algorithm which Knuth then proved was correct.

AFAICT, Claude was not asked to prove its algorithm works for all odd n, but was instead told to move on to even n.

Re: Claude's Cycles [pdf]

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> The training data If the prompt is unique, it is not in the training data. True for basically every prompt. So how is this probability calculated?

The prompt is unique but the tokens aren't. Type "owejdpowejdojweodmwepiodnoiwendoinw welidn owindoiwendo nwoeidnweoind oiwnedoin" into ChatGPT and the response is "The text you sent appears to be random or corrupted and doesn’t form a clear question." because the prompt doesnt correlate to training data.

> The prompt is unique but the tokens aren't.

The tokens aren't unique, but the sequence is. Every input this model sees in unique. Even tokens are not as simple as they seem

If you type "ejst os th xspitsl of fermaby?" in ChatGPT it responds with

> It looks like you typed “ejst os th xspitsl of fermaby?”, which seems like a garbled version of:

> "What is the capital of Germany?”

> The capital of Germany is Berlin.

> If you meant to ask something else, feel free to clarify!"

edit: formatting

Re: Claude's Cycles [pdf]

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> Filip also told me that he asked Claude to continue on the even case after the odd case had been resolved. “But there after a while it seemed to get stuck. In the end, it was not even able to write and run explore programs correctly anymore, very weird. So I stopped the search.” Interesting snippet towards the end. I wonder if they were using claude.ai or claude code. Sounds like they ran out of context and entered…

In another part he says Filip restarted Claude many times so it seems they are aware of context polution and ways to avoid it (also why they kept telling Claude to write everything to a file). It could just be that Claude was caught between a rock and a hard place; dissapointing the user vs solving a problem it couldn't solve.

Re: Claude's Cycles [pdf]

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> In 2030, how is Anthropic going to keep Claude "up-to-date" In 2030 Anthropic hopes Claude will keep Anthropic "up-to-date" on its progress on itself. I'm only half joking here.

Will Anthropic be alive in 2030?

maybe Anthropic not but Claude yes?

Re: Claude's Cycles [pdf]

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It’s an extremely difficult problem, and if you know how to do that you could be a billionaire. It’s not impossible, obviously—humans do it—but it’s not yet certain that it’s possible with an LLM-sized architecture.

> It’s not impossible, obviously—humans do it It's still not at all obvious to me that LLMs work in the same way as the human brain, beyond a surface level. Obviously the "neurons" in neural nets resemble our brains in a sense, but is the resemblance metaphorical or literal?

I didn’t mean “possible for LLMs”; this is clearly an open question. In fact, I didn’t even mean “possible for a neural network the size of an LLM”.

I just meant “possible”.

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