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Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by deaux »

HDThoreaun wrote: post #283
deaux wrote: post #272

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> Considering how Israel had to raze entire cities to beat 'Hamas' They didn't, they just had to stop funding them, as Hamas has been funded by Israel.

Israel stopped finding hamas decades ago

Lies.

> In an interview with Politico in 2023, former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said that "In the last 15 years, Israel did everything to downgrade the Palestinian Authority and to boost Hamas." He continued saying "Gaza was on the brink of collapse because they had no resources, they had no money, and the PA refused to give Hamas any money. Bibi saved them. Bibi made a deal with Qatar and they started to move millions and millions of dollars to Gaza."

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Post by underlipton »

hnthrowaway0315 wrote: post #56

If the hard-liners IRGC generals went with him then it might be a good thing for its economy. I have heard some rumors that China was frustrated that IRGC pushed against the deals and were not willing to accept foreign investments in key oil/infra projects because they sit on them -- and that was why China never put down any real investments after signing the deals.

Why would a regime that came to be, ultimately, precisely because of foreign meddling in resource extraction ever entertain more foreign meddling in resource extraction, especially when it's levered with "or else we'll kill you."?

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Post by twoodfin »

underlipton wrote: post #289
avoutos wrote: post #166

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Well, there are other things you can look at. For one, Khamenei was dictator of a regime that abducts women and recently murdered 10s of thousands of protesters in the streets. I'd reckon most, including Iranians, would not judge the killing of such an individual immoral, unjust or uncivilized.

I don't know whether I'm "kidding" or not, but I might as well post what immediately came to mind as I read this: Sandra Bland et al. ICE detainments The excess 20k (as far as absolute numbers go) road fatalities in the US versus Iran. And the excess I-have-no-idea-how-many-k who died under Trump's bungled COVID response (and who are going to die from Biden's bungled rail strike response)(and who died under Obama's f…

Rail strike response casualties? Can you flesh that out a bit?

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Post by dotancohen »

cosmicgadget wrote: post #274
culi wrote: post #261

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That's no excuse. And if a choice between 2 people that have been thoroughly vetted by elites is your definition of democracy, you have a sad sad view of what's possible.

Sorry, how are free and fair elections not democracy?

These people are here to either sow dissent between American citizens and the American government, or have been influenced by those whose goal is to sow dissent between American citizens and the American government. Qatar can not take on the US with military power, so they use soft power and "influencers".

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Post by dotancohen »

deaux wrote: post #291
HDThoreaun wrote: post #283

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Israel stopped finding hamas decades ago

Lies. > In an interview with Politico in 2023, former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said that "In the last 15 years, Israel did everything to downgrade the Palestinian Authority and to boost Hamas." He continued saying "Gaza was on the brink of collapse because they had no resources, they had no money, and the PA refused to give Hamas any money. Bibi saved them. Bibi made a deal with Qatar and they started to mo…

That looks like Israel made every effort to promote the welfare of Gazan citizens. From your own link "Gaza was on the brink of collapse" and Israel saved them.

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Post by [deleted] »

consumer451 wrote: post #259
thomassmith65 wrote: post #12

The Iranian diaspora around the world is celebrating. Here's the scene in Berlin: https://youtu.be/NSbx_0mtk80?si=MJ_Bfvx8gVd1P1mm They've waited a very long time for this moment!

Also please see: https://old.reddit.com/r/newiran Remember Kian.

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Post by dotancohen »

fourseventy wrote: post #153
TulliusCicero wrote: post #76

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It's definitely odd if he was just sitting in his compound. That's a very, well, known place for him. Surely Iran has plenty of secure underground bunkers for leadership to retreat to?

Apparently they hit the compound with 30+ bunker busters. So perhaps he was in a bunker but the bombs still got him

That's how Nasrallah was eliminated as well.

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Post by dotancohen »

bjourne wrote: post #239
nailer wrote: post #228

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Iran isn’t an arab country.

Great, but that is nit-picking---I'm describing a cultural trait present in Iran which makes certain decisions seem irrational to Westerners.

I would like to hear more about the cultural traits that seem irrational to Westerners.

For what it's worth, I agree with you about Sinwar dying while fighting.

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Post by dismalaf »

ndiddy wrote: post #277
kubb wrote: post #25

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I have no doubt that they didn't like that the regime, which is why they left. But this assassination is no guarantee of change for the better. Far from it.

Yeah I'm not sure why people think that the Iranian government never considered any sort of continuity for what happens when their 86 year old ruler dies. It's not like they're ants that are all helpless without their sole supreme leader.

The fact a leader can be assassinated at any moment by the US probably changes the succession plan slightly... I imagine any potential successor is thinking hard about whether it's a job they actually want.
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