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Statement from Dario Amodei on our discussions with the Department of War

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Re: Statement from Dario Amodei on our discussions with the Department of War

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Post by sbinnee »

As a non US citizen, this article sounds mildly concerning to me. My country is an ally of US. Good. But I don't know how I would feel when I start seeing Anthropic logos on every weapon we buy from US.

Aside my concern, Dario Amodei seems really into politics. I have read a couple of his blog posts and listened to a couple of podcast interviews here and there. Every time I felt like he sounded more like a politician than an entrepreneur.

I know Anthropic is particularly more mission-driven than, say OpenAI. And I respect that their constitutional ways of training and serving Claude models. Claude turned out to be a great success. But reading a manifest speaking of wars and their missions, it gives me chills.

Re: Statement from Dario Amodei on our discussions with the Department of War

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Post by kumarvvr »

All this is for nought.

The power lies with the US Govt.

And its corrupt, immoral and unethical, run by power hungry assholes who are not being held accountable, headed by the asshole who does a million illegal things every day.

Ultimately, Anthropic will fold.

All this is to show to their investors that they tried everything they could.

Re: Statement from Dario Amodei on our discussions with the Department of War

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Post by [deleted] »

yowayb wrote: post #229
lebovic wrote: post #202

I used to work at Anthropic, and I wrote a comment on a thread earlier this week about the RSP update [1]. It's enheartening to see that leaders at Anthropic are willing to risk losing their seat at the table to be guided by values. Something I don't think is well understood on HN is how driven by ideals many folks at Anthropic are, even if the company is pragmatic about achieving their goals. I have strong signal th…

I've thought the same about a few of my founders/executives. "You either die the good guy or live long enough to become the bad guy" The "bad guy" actually learns that their former good guy mentality was too simplistic.

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Re: Statement from Dario Amodei on our discussions with the Department of War

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Post by noosphr »

alangibson wrote: post #4

It's not named the Department of War because Congress didn't rename it. Other than that, good on ya.

And what if congress renames it tomorrow? They have the votes. These sort of procedural gotchas are as stupid as they are boring.

Re: Statement from Dario Amodei on our discussions with the Department of War

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Post by dzonga »

these guys are selling snake oil to the gvt - cz they know they can get cash based on fear.

the Chinese are releasing equivalent models for free or super cheap.

AI costs / energy costs keep going up for American A.I companies

while china benefits from lower costs

so yeah you've to spread F.U.D to survive

Re: Statement from Dario Amodei on our discussions with the Department of War

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Post by victor106 »

bnr-ais wrote: post #252
lebovic wrote: post #202

I used to work at Anthropic, and I wrote a comment on a thread earlier this week about the RSP update [1]. It's enheartening to see that leaders at Anthropic are willing to risk losing their seat at the table to be guided by values. Something I don't think is well understood on HN is how driven by ideals many folks at Anthropic are, even if the company is pragmatic about achieving their goals. I have strong signal th…

Anthropic had the largest IP settlement ($1.5 billion) for stolen material and Amodei repeatedly predicted mass unemployment within 6 months due to AI. Without being bothered about it at all. It is a horrible and ruthless company and hearing a presumably rich ex-employee painting a rosy picture does not change anything.

> Amodei repeatedly predicted mass unemployment within 6 months due to AI. Without being bothered about it at all.

What do you suppose he should do if that’s what he thinks is going to happen?

And how do you know he’s not bothered by it at all?

Re: Statement from Dario Amodei on our discussions with the Department of War

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Post by ramraj07 »

bnr-ais wrote: post #252
lebovic wrote: post #202

I used to work at Anthropic, and I wrote a comment on a thread earlier this week about the RSP update [1]. It's enheartening to see that leaders at Anthropic are willing to risk losing their seat at the table to be guided by values. Something I don't think is well understood on HN is how driven by ideals many folks at Anthropic are, even if the company is pragmatic about achieving their goals. I have strong signal th…

Anthropic had the largest IP settlement ($1.5 billion) for stolen material and Amodei repeatedly predicted mass unemployment within 6 months due to AI. Without being bothered about it at all. It is a horrible and ruthless company and hearing a presumably rich ex-employee painting a rosy picture does not change anything.

Avoiding Doing something that could cause job loss has never been and will never be a productive ideal in any non conservative non regressive society. What should we do? Not innovate on AI and let other countries make the models that will kill the jobs two months later instead?

Re: Statement from Dario Amodei on our discussions with the Department of War

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Post by zmmmmm »

I can't help but highlight the problem that is created by the renaming of the Deptartment of Defense to the Department of War:

> importance of using AI to defend the United States

> Anthropic has therefore worked proactively to deploy our models to the Department of War

So you believe in helping to defend the United States, but you gave the models to the Department of War - explicitly, a government arm now named as inclusive of a actions of a pure offensive capability with no defensive element.

You don't have to argue that you are not supporting the defense of the US by declining to engage with the Department of War. That should be the end of the discussion here.

Re: Statement from Dario Amodei on our discussions with the Department of War

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Post by estearum »

quietbritishjim wrote: post #259
jjcm wrote: post #155

This is the strongest statement in the post: > They have threatened to remove us from their systems if we maintain these safeguards; they have also threatened to designate us a “supply chain risk”—a label reserved for US adversaries, never before applied to an American company—and to invoke the Defense Production Act to force the safeguards’ removal. These latter two threats are inherently contradictory: one labels u…

Those aren't contradictory at all. If I need a particular type of bolt for my fighter jet but I can only get it from a dodgy Chinese company, then that bolt is a supply chain risk (because they could introduce deliberate defects or simply stop producing it) and also clearly important to national security. In fact, it's a supply chain risk because is important to national security.

It's easy to resolve an alleged contradiction by just ignoring one half of it lol

Try introducing DPA invocation into your analogy and let's see where it goes!

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