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RAM now represents 35 percent of bill of materials for HP PCs

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Re: RAM now represents 35 percent of bill of materials for HP PCs

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Post by nostrademons »

halJordan wrote: post #282
nostrademons wrote: post #280

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Android's investing significantly in reducing the memory usage of the next release simply because the BOM cost of RAM for their low-end partners is becoming prohibitive.

But if that new or different because of this event? No it's not, Android has had several initiatives to enable low end devices, from optimizing full fatter Android, to inventing new versions of Android.

In this case it is explicitly because of the RAMpocalypse. The initiatives have existed forever but they've gotten a lot more funding and a lot more exec attention because of the situation in the hardware market.

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Post by dgxyz »

tracker1 wrote: post #277
dgxyz wrote: post #268

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Every app ships with its own isolated web browser now. That idea needs to die. Back to native apps without bloated toolkits!

Or at least improving the shared browser ui / chromeless experience for "app" installs. I think that Tauri is pretty reasonable as well, weak link being Linux currently.

No fuck the browser. It's just layers of shit on shit on shit.

Mail.app is sitting here using 137Mb of RAM. Outlook 1270Mb.

Re: RAM now represents 35 percent of bill of materials for HP PCs

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Post by [deleted] »

travisgriggs wrote: post #50

I had my formative years in programming when memory usage was something you still worried about as a programmer. And then memory expanded so much that all kinds of “optimal” patterns for programming just become nearly irrelevant. Will we start to actually consider this in software solutions again as a result?

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Re: RAM now represents 35 percent of bill of materials for HP PCs

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Post by tracker1 »

dgxyz wrote: post #292
tracker1 wrote: post #277

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Or at least improving the shared browser ui / chromeless experience for "app" installs. I think that Tauri is pretty reasonable as well, weak link being Linux currently.

No fuck the browser. It's just layers of shit on shit on shit. Mail.app is sitting here using 137Mb of RAM. Outlook 1270Mb.

And the likes of Zed save so much ram over VS Code... oh, wait...

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Post by oldmanhorton »

pjc50 wrote: post #199
crakenzak wrote: post #155

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Out of curiosity, why has there not been a slight paradigm shift in modern system programming languages to expose more control over the caches?

Same as the failure of Itanium VLIW instructions: you don't actually want to force the decision of what is in the cache back to compile time, when the relevant information is better available at runtime. Also, additional information on instructions costs instruction bandwidth and I-cache.

That seems correct, but it also doesn’t account for managed languages with runtimes like JavaScript or Java or .NET, which probably have a lot of interesting runtime info they could use to influence caching behavior. There’s an amount of “who caches the cacher” if you go down this path (who manages cache lines for the V8 native code that is in turn managing cache lines for jitted JavaScript code), but it still seems like there is opportunity there?

Re: RAM now represents 35 percent of bill of materials for HP PCs

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Post by dgxyz »

tracker1 wrote: post #294
dgxyz wrote: post #292

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No fuck the browser. It's just layers of shit on shit on shit. Mail.app is sitting here using 137Mb of RAM. Outlook 1270Mb.

And the likes of Zed save so much ram over VS Code... oh, wait...

I use vim for everything so I have no idea.

My main machine has 16Gb of RAM and I don't think I've ever seen it go over 4Gb and that was when I had a 200gb mmap'ed sparse array.

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Post by lucianbr »

joe_mamba wrote: post #252
lucianbr wrote: post #180

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> nobody can guarantee it won't be again I hope we (Europe) can try some things even when they are not guaranteed to succeed and generate huge profits. Otherwise we are toast, though it might take some time to realise it. The concept of trying not-guaranteed things should not be so alien here on news.ycombinator.com I would think.

>I hope we (Europe) can try some things even when they are not guaranteed to succeed and generate huge profits. If EU hopes were cookies, I would have died of obesity 100 times over. EU is bad at learning from its own mistakes and being proactive on rapid changes on the world stage, that's why it's share of global GDP has dropped by half in 20 years. EU is always reactive and then only when it's far too late and its…

I think we mostly agree. Just "no RAM factories because we have more competitive advantage elswhere" is different than "no RAM factories because they are not guaranteed a profit". Are pharma and weapons really guaranteed? Less risk because we are better positioned is something else, and actually makes sense.

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Post by joe_mamba »

lucianbr wrote: post #297
joe_mamba wrote: post #252

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>I hope we (Europe) can try some things even when they are not guaranteed to succeed and generate huge profits. If EU hopes were cookies, I would have died of obesity 100 times over. EU is bad at learning from its own mistakes and being proactive on rapid changes on the world stage, that's why it's share of global GDP has dropped by half in 20 years. EU is always reactive and then only when it's far too late and its…

I think we mostly agree. Just "no RAM factories because we have more competitive advantage elswhere" is different than "no RAM factories because they are not guaranteed a profit". Are pharma and weapons really guaranteed? Less risk because we are better positioned is something else, and actually makes sense.

>I think we mostly agree. Just "no RAM factories because we have more competitive advantage elswhere" is different than "no RAM factories because they are not guaranteed a profit".

But then people shouldn't moan that the EU is absent from the RAM manufacturing industry or pretend like it's something easy they could do on a whim if the EU suddenly wanted to.

>Are pharma and weapons really guaranteed?

There will always be sick people and people killing each other.

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Post by rafaelmn »

Infiniti20 wrote: post #41
rafaelmn wrote: post #15

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The joke is that Apple RAM pricing is now close to market level, they still have margin in there even at market prices, and they are notorious for supply chain management and locking in contracts/prices ahead of time. So doubt Apple will change anything here short term. On the flip side if you're buying a new computer in 2026 - it's going to be even harder to justify not getting a MacBook, the chips are already 2 yea…

2 years ahead?

Intel latest series 3 is catching up to M3 level performance ?

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Post by toast0 »

KellyCriterion wrote: post #288
BunsanSpace wrote: post #284

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That's honestly a good thing. Computers aren't really getting faster for end users doing mundane tasks the past couple of years. Will help reduce E-Waste, and to the end user there won't be a different. A machine from 5 years ago feels just as fast as a brand new machine.

Im always shocked how much good IT equipment is shoved into the trashbin: At a lot of companies I could make a great deal - either for using it on my own or selling it on Ebay later on. Big Corporations offen trash IT equipment thats only 3 - 4 years old. And there is no recycling etc. Very sad.

Big corporations tend to send old hardware through the surplus marketplace. There's lots of 3-4 year old corporate computers for sale. Often, the company leases the computers and then the lessor will sell them when they're returned.
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