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US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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Re: US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives

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Post by WarmWash »

simmerup wrote: post #275
WarmWash wrote: post #202

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Apple is the same size as Europe's tech sector...just Apple. Of the top 50 tech companies on Earth, 3 are European and 30 are American.[1] Europe has a seriously lacking tech scene. The situation is borderline catastrophic.Even just this past week the OpenClaw guy ditched the EU for the US, calling out the EU's infertile business scene[2]. These are exactly the kind of people the EU should be clearing a path for and…

US tech is so dominant because the US was the worlds benevolent superpower. You've changed, we're adapting accordingly.

You might think I am trying to put down Europe, but the reality is that I am trying to make a Europe that can stand on it's own.

The economic rifts that a hard pull away from US support would create almost certainly will fracture the EU, give rise to nationalist leaders, and weaken support for Eastern Europe.

What's happening right now is exactly what Russia wants. Big brother America going away, so Russia only has to deal with countries that have been been on a 30 year status quo cruise control.

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Post by nick486 »

PlatoIsADisease wrote: post #260
Tyrubias wrote: post #12

I can’t imagine how any country would think the US is trustworthy enough to be the place where everyone stores their data. If companies cannot comply with data sovereignty laws then they shouldn’t exist at all. Personally, even as a US citizen, I’m hoping tech companies in Europe and Asia become independent enough to no longer be beholden to US interests. It’s clear that the era where any one country has global hegem…

>It’s clear that the era where any one country has global hegemony should end. Unipolar worlds are safer than Bipolar. Multipolar is extremely dangerous. I imagine you didn't know that more people will be killed if the US doesn't have hegemony.

assuming the hegemon is benevolent. if the hegemon isnt, you have nowhere to run. welcome to the labor camp, please leave your belongings here, the showers are to the right.

saying unipolar is better is like saying absolute monarchy is better. sure it is, as long as the good king is alive.

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Post by WarmWash »

ozmodiar wrote: post #263
PlatoIsADisease wrote: post #260

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>It’s clear that the era where any one country has global hegemony should end. Unipolar worlds are safer than Bipolar. Multipolar is extremely dangerous. I imagine you didn't know that more people will be killed if the US doesn't have hegemony.

Don't worry, China is coming out pretty far ahead so I'm sure we'll still be in a unipolar world when this is all over, and you can sleep safe at night. I imagine you didn't know.

You better be Han Chinese or you're cooked.

At least the US has the benefit of not really having a core ethnic class.

(To stem off the haters, the US has a "massive problem with racism" exactly because we have such a mixed society. Most monoracial places are obscenely and shamelessly racist, but never has a chance to arise)

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Post by nick486 »

game_the0ry wrote: post #82
Tyrubias wrote: post #12

I can’t imagine how any country would think the US is trustworthy enough to be the place where everyone stores their data. If companies cannot comply with data sovereignty laws then they shouldn’t exist at all. Personally, even as a US citizen, I’m hoping tech companies in Europe and Asia become independent enough to no longer be beholden to US interests. It’s clear that the era where any one country has global hegem…

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>China...where you cannot criticize the CCP?

I'd be more worried about the data being stolen and resold even faster than elsewhere tbh. staying out of the way of the ccp as a random guy on the other end of the world should be doable.

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Post by bilbo0s »

ozmodiar wrote: post #263
PlatoIsADisease wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It’s clear that the era where any one country has global hegemony should end. Unipolar worlds are safer than Bipolar. Multipolar is extremely dangerous. I imagine you didn't know that more people will be killed if the US doesn't have hegemony.

Don't worry, China is coming out pretty far ahead so I'm sure we'll still be in a unipolar world when this is all over, and you can sleep safe at night. I imagine you didn't know.

I don't know man?

The Chinese are clearly doing some "rebalancing" lately. Some would even say that "rebalancing" is not a strong enough word. "De-linking" is a word a lot of those people are more comfortable with using to describe what we're seeing.

You can't really have a unipolar power if that power simply "takes all their marbles and goes home" so to speak.

I think we need to really do some strategic planning around scenarios where China or Europe simply withdraws from the rest of the world. Or decides they only need subsaharan Africa for instance.

Or, the nightmare scenario; where China, Europe, and subsaharan Africa actually figure out that together they don't really need anything from the rest of us.

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Post by zimza »

blibble wrote: post #145
kyboren wrote: post #97

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> When the US is a rogue, isolated idiocracy This reads like wishful thinking from a butthurt European. I am not a fan of many of Trump's policies and I think ex-US investor sentiment has definitely soured. But it's not like the USA is now DPRK. > how much of that money do you think will flow to the US? If there's one thing you can be sure of about aggregate investor behavior, it's that investors seek good risk-adjus…

> But it's not like the USA is now DPRK. I'd say the perception is probably worse kim is simply not a threat he also hasn't threatened to invade us, and he's not kidnapped any foreign leaders (recently)

Exactly. These guys have blinders.

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Post by aenis »

And in related news, major European democracies are spending real money architecting sovereign cloud tech - planning on replacing not just the infra, but also the key parts of commonly used SaaS stacks. (How do I know? I got a job offer from one of those governments to help them architect that; exciting times).

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Post by the_why_of_y »

kyboren wrote: post #193
stackbutterflow wrote: post #167

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First link > The wife of a Conservative councillor has been jailed for 31 months after calling for hotels housing asylum seekers to be set on fire. Saying she was put in jail for social media posts is like saying a murderer was jailed for breathing air. Meanwhile a US citizen was jailed for a meme quoting Trump after Kirk death. https://edition.cnn.com/2025/12/17/politics/retired-cop-jail...

> Meanwhile a US citizen was jailed for a meme quoting Trump after Kirk death. And that was wrong, too. Also newsworthy because it is so unusual. > First link I think it's probably legal under US jurisprudence, but fine, you can have that one. How about the guy who got raided for calling Robert Habeck a "professional moron"? Or the 170 other people raided in Germany for their online speech?

This is not what actually happened; see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46431000

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Post by expedition32 »

JohnTHaller wrote: post #256
forinti wrote: post #4

How can you be so confrontational and still want people to give you business and data? I really don't envy the diplomats' job at the moment.

The US doesn't have diplomats anymore. Just Republican donors with no experience. Hell, Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner's dad is a diplomat. A really bad one.

Ambassadors being rich socialites is a both party problem and it is not new.

No the difference is that Trump's ambassadors are directly getting involved in the local politics of their postings. And they're not even hiding it.

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