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Google restricting Google AI Pro/Ultra subscribers for using OpenClaw

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Re: Google restricting Google AI Pro/Ultra subscribers for using OpenClaw

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Post by mannanj »

NewsaHackO wrote: post #129
jacquesm wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Isn't the reason companies are doing this because they're offering tokens at a discount, provided they're spent through their tooling? Then maybe they should charge for that instead of banning accounts? Google decided on their own business plan without any guns to their backs. If they decide to create a plan that is subsidized that's entirely on them.

So the issue is the same as Anthropic. They do charge for it though their API. The users, however, want to use the discounted "unlimited" flat rate through the first-party app instead, then get mad when they are told they have to use the same API every other third-party app does.

However someone else said this, and I agree, if I have an AI use my claude-code CLI how is not valid first-party app use? It would be different if they would disallow others to use your claude-code account, and I think most including these AI companies would argue AI is supposed to replace and augment humans. So they aren't banning AI's from using the CLI, right- though thats what some of them are seemingly wanting to do.

Re: Google restricting Google AI Pro/Ultra subscribers for using OpenClaw

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Post by [deleted] »

dmix wrote: post #192
nucleative wrote: post #176

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I cannot de-Google fast enough. So if I ask Google's AI studio the wrong question, I might get my G-drive, Gmail, API access, Play store, YouTube channel, "login with Google" tokens, and more all ripped away instantly with no recourse? No thanks

It’s an extremely strong incentive to not use Gemini for anything serious

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Re: Google restricting Google AI Pro/Ultra subscribers for using OpenClaw

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Post by Thorrez »

marcus_holmes wrote: post #273
carshodev wrote: post #144

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It's not unfair its how every business works. When your product is new or not yet good enough and you want people to try it you give them discounts, or if you want to drive traffic to your service you also do the same. Even traditional businesses do this with coupons. Is it unfair that Costco sells chickens for under cost because it drives usage to them? Companies like Uber did use massive funding and price subsidiza…

I'd agree with you if this was some new SaaS just opening its doors. But Google are banning entire accounts, with years, even decades, of personal history, photos, even phone accounts and app development projects. They very easily could just negate the anti-gravity access, which would be much, much more reasonable.

>But Google are banning entire accounts, with years, even decades, of personal history, photos, even phone accounts and app development projects.

Source? It seems to me only the anti-gravity access was blocked. The link says

> Our product engineering team has confirmed that your account was suspended from using our Antigravity service.

> there’s no way we can restore our accounts to use Antigravity anymore yeah?

Disclosure: I work at Google, but not on anything related to this.

Re: Google restricting Google AI Pro/Ultra subscribers for using OpenClaw

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Post by tom_m »

gck1 wrote: post #259
hsaliak wrote: post #245

Google's Pro service (no idea about ultra and I have no intention to find out) is riddled with 429s. They have generous quotas for sure, but they really give you very low priority. For example, I still dont have access to Gemini 3.1 from that endpoint. It's completely uncharacteristic of Google. I analyzed 6k HTTP requests on the Pro account, 23% of those were hit with 429s. (Though not from Gemini-CLI, but from my o…

> Yes the models are smart, but you really cant "build things" despite the marketing if you actively beat back your users for trying I think this is the most important takeaway from this thread and at some point, this will end up biting Google and Anthropic back. OpenAI seems to have realized this and is actively trying to do the opposite. They welcomed OpenCode the same day Anthropic banned them, X is full of tweets…

You can build plenty with Google ai pro plan and Antigravity. Yea there's some limits that should be even higher, but you can still build stuff.

Re: Google restricting Google AI Pro/Ultra subscribers for using OpenClaw

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Post by gck1 »

throwaway13337 wrote: post #244

These companies are engaged in a sort of AI dumping. Cheap inference below cost. Price out competitors. Abuse your newfound dominance. It's the big tech playbook. I don't think it's going to work this time. Tools like OpenClaw are an existential threat precisely because it allows the user control over their experience. The value in it cannot be captured by a monopoly. LLMs don't seem to be a very good moat. At the sa…

Is that... Why Google released Antigravity, an IDE, no less, when even my non-tech dentist is using claude code in cli? And why Anthropic is pushing their desktop apps, skills, and all these integrations their models can build in a day?

Are they betting on their software, not their LLM deciding if they survive or not if competitive open source model is dropped? Oh boy, the market is going to have some fun times when realization hits.

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Post by stevage »

paxys wrote: post #68

I don't know why people here can't accept the simple fact that AI companies are offering cheap "unlimited" plans as a loss leader to tie you to their ecosystem, and then make up for it via add-ons, upsells, ads etc. If you use those API tokens to access external services it defeats the purpose. The hack may have worked so far, mainly because no one was checking, but they are all going to tighten the access eventually…

No one is shocked that they don't allow this. Everyone is shocked that they silently, permanently banned the user with no recourse and it took significant effort even to find out that much.

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Post by adastra22 »

gck1 wrote: post #186
hendersoon wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The -p flag should be fine, so long as you don't use their oauth in a third-party tool. Gemini also supports A2A for this sort of thing.

But the question is - why is the -p flag fine? It hits the same endpoints with the same OAuth token and same quotas. Comments section here and on related news from Anthropic seems to be centered around the idea that the reason for these bans is that it burns tokens quickly, while their plans are subsidized. What changes with the -p flag? You're just using cli instead of HTTP. Are the metrics from their cli more valua…

Because the ToS explicitly says the -p flag is fine, but the Agent SDK is not.

Re: Google restricting Google AI Pro/Ultra subscribers for using OpenClaw

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Post by jcgrillo »

jacquesm wrote: post #118
bethekind wrote: post #15

This is draconian. > Our investigation specifically confirmed that the use of your credentials within the third-party tool “open claw” for testing purposes constitutes a violation of the Google Terms of Service [1]. This is due to the use of Antigravity servers to power a non-Antigravity product. I must be transparent and inform you that, in accordance with Google’s policy, this situation falls under a zero tolerance…

No, this is hilarious: company that rams their AI down your throat at every opportunity then turns around and shuts down your account because you actually use their AI... there is no limit to the idiocy around Google's AI roll-out. I wished I could donate the AI credits that I'm paying for (thanks Google for that price increase for a product I never chose to buy) to the people that need them more.

This kind of reputational damage is just adding fuel to the fire. If my business depended in any way on google--GCP, GSuite, whatever--it would right now be a very urgent task to fire them and find replacements. They've been pretty sketchy for a while, but this kind of thing is over the top.
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