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There is unequivocal evidence that Earth is warming (2024)

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Re: There is unequivocal evidence that Earth is warming (2024)

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Post by johnea »

declan_roberts wrote: post #13
Havoc wrote: post #7

Can’t wait for trump and his gestapo to deport the entirety of nasa for telling the truth

Why does NASA even have to do this? Build some cool rockets and get us to mars.

Ahh, the elon bois. This form of internet brain damage gives me a good LOL almost everyday 8-)

My old comment on the subject:

"If you want to know what it'll be like living on Mars, bury a cargo container in your back yard, and live in it for a year."

If you run out of something, you'll certainly be closer to the grocery store.

This form of 12 year old pubescent boy SciFi fantasy, taking priority over the many actual problems that need to be solved in the world today, is a poster child for the phenomenon of "the idiot wealthy".

Not everyone participating in the phenomenon are part of the idiot wealthy, most of them aren't rich.

Re: There is unequivocal evidence that Earth is warming (2024)

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Post by tim333 »

e40 wrote: post #66

We've already lost the battle to prevent catastrophic change: https://davidsuzuki.org/story/is-it-too-late-to-escape-clima... And 7 of 9 boundaries have been crossed? https://www.stockholmresilience.org/research/planetary-bound... This is starting to look more like the movie _Don't Look Up_.

The biggest entry in their 9 boundaries pie chart is:

>Novel entities: Technological developments introduce novel synthetic chemicals into the environment, mobilize materials in wholly new ways, modify the genetics of living organisms...

which I'm not sure is really a climate catastrophe thing.

Re: There is unequivocal evidence that Earth is warming (2024)

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Post by tim333 »

Windchaser wrote: post #276
panarchy wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://thecottonwoodpost.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/emi... https://thecottonwoodpost.net/2019/12/10/modern-climate-chan...

There's some truth to what they're saying. Simply on a factual basis, the data we have from previous extinction events does not have the temporal resolution needed for us to determine how quickly the temperature increased/decreased. E.g., "how quickly did the atmospheric temperature change after the Chicxulub event?" We don't know. Decent-quality global paleoclimate proxies only extend back ~15k years or so. It's pos…

According to the no doubt very reliable Animal Armageddon: Episode 3: Doomsday it would have gotten very hot on the surface (100C+?) a few hours after Chicxulub then a while after that apparently 26C colder than normal for years due to dust in the atmosphere.

Link to a hot bit https://youtu.be/rbznPZHCqVw?t=2269

Re: There is unequivocal evidence that Earth is warming (2024)

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Post by k33n »

epistasis wrote: post #261
k33n wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you think the world is shifting away from the United States, or that Trump isn’t having his way with virtually every trading partner on the map, then it seems you are falling victim to strong anti-US rhetoric. This rhetoric isn’t based in reality. The US leads the defense strategy of the entirety of Europe, and Europe has no other alternative. There may be some politicians that want to choose the US as “the loser”…

You throw around insults like "TDS," and try to say that a plain and calm stating of facts is "blurting," but is there even a single trading partner where Trump is having his way? He makes ridiculous demands, throws around tariffs, and at most he extracts a memorandum of understanding that maybe there will be a trade deal in the future. Trump promised something like 100 new trade deals last year in a matter of months…

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Re: There is unequivocal evidence that Earth is warming (2024)

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Post by bryanlarsen »

spwa4 wrote: post #274
bryanlarsen wrote: post #92

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Luckily the effect is much larger in the opposite direction: weaning oneself off of foreign oil is a huge advantage both economically and militarily.

India and China are doing just that. How are they doing that, you ask? Switching to coal ... India's adding 80GW of coal, and China having 95GW planned and building.

India added 9GW of coal and 40GW of solar. China added 91GW of coal and 315GW of solar.

They're getting most of their new power from solar and running coal only at night.

Re: There is unequivocal evidence that Earth is warming (2024)

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Post by no-name-here »

lugu wrote: post #139

The problem isn't technical in nature. We need a brand-new socioeconomic system that outcompete liberal democracies while reducing CO2 emissions.. We are in deep trouble.

The existing global socioeconomic systems have been able to solve other environmental commons problems before, even if this one is larger in scale.

> We need a brand-new socioeconomic system that outcompete liberal democracies while reducing CO2 emissions.

I presume you'd agree that isn't likely? So saying "We need x infeasible thing" seems about as helpful as those pushing climate change denialism?

Re: There is unequivocal evidence that Earth is warming (2024)

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Post by johsole »

pablomalo wrote: post #242
aeternum wrote: post #73

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The problem with Pascal's wager logic is you have to change your behavior based on all kinds of crazy low-probability events. You must worship every god, be an AI-doomer, a climate-doomer, a nuclear-doomer. Pascal's wager is generally agreed to be logically unsound, so it's somewhat insane that we've revived it in all these modern contexts. If you believe in it, at least be consistent and sacrifice a goat to Zeus eve…

Pascal's wager, as it relates to faith, is based on the premise that there is a lot to win in making the wager --but little to lose. In turn, that second part is grounded in the assumption (right or wrong, I won't judge) that living according to Christian principles brings benefits _in this life also_ to the individual who so chooses. So it seems a mischaracterization to present the essence of the wager as going out…

> living according to Christian principles brings benefits _in this life also_

It does, in this life and the next.

Re: There is unequivocal evidence that Earth is warming (2024)

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Post by johsole »

justin66 wrote: post #251
mvdtnz wrote: post #243

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People just lived through a crisis in which public health officials were telling them to avoid a deadly virus by using glory holes[0]. Skepticism of institutions is at an all time high for good reason. [0] https://metro.co.uk/2020/07/23/health-officials-recommend-gl...

Thanks for that reminder of some cultural differences (!) between us and our friends across the pond. Hopefully it goes without saying, that rather colorful example is a few steps removed from the replication crisis, although the point about governing institutions spending their credibility in poor ways is taken.

The US had a version of this as well. At the height of lockdowns and social distancing a lot of health officials were saying protesting racial injustice was more important than Covid 19, which we closed a lot of businesses for.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/06/04/public-hea...

Re: There is unequivocal evidence that Earth is warming (2024)

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Post by johsole »

alt227 wrote: post #265
larkost wrote: post #171

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The rate of warming is a problem (i.e.: it determines what generations of humans are going to see this), but the major problem is the warming itself, or rather the change. We (humanity) have gotten comfortable with the way things are, and a change in that is going to mean that things are going to change for us, and we don't like change. Most of our biggest cities are all close to the coast and will be subject to mass…

The warming is definitely not the problem (for the earth itself), only for the human race of which I care very little for. Many different groups of large animals have lived and died off over the ages. It will happen again many times after humans are gone. I personally welcome nuclear war and anything else which will help wipe out the human race. In a few million years the earth will move on to its next rulers and we…

> I personally welcome nuclear war and anything else which will help wipe out the human race

If you hate humanity, you hate yourself, and that is a miserable way to live. Reprogram your brain, by repetition, it works, and you can find joy.

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