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Thanks a lot, AI: Hard drives are sold out for the year, says WD

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Re: Thanks a lot, AI: Hard drives are sold out for the year, says WD

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the current spikes tempt me to sell off my home lab. a mac mini to sell to the open claw bros, 5tb HDD, Intel NUC, some SSDs, and a 5 year old dell laptop. can always buy back after the crash.

You could buy a house and a private jet with these if you held just one more year.

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I am interested in hearing how to get hard drives to last longer. Should you keep them locked away in the closet? Spin them up occasionally but not too much? Keep them always-on? I understand the less reading and writing, the better. How does external compare to internal, if at all? Is 3.5" going to last longer than something smaller?

Spinning HDDs will eventually be at risk of failing for purely mechanical reasons, so beyond handling them with care you can't really do all that much. Keeping them always-on may be a viable strategy for drives that are already mostly on, otherwise, just spin them up once in a while, but don't expect this to lower risk significantly. An old drive should simply have its contents transferred to new media, and then be treated as something ephemeral that may fail at any time without warning.

Re: Thanks a lot, AI: Hard drives are sold out for the year, says WD

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I guess you could at least mine the boards from defunct AI companies for memory chips ? Latest videos from Gamers Nexus showed it is apparently not that hard to transfer memory chips from board to board. Then you can leach precious metals from the PCB itself.

Yes, but if they weren't overproduced and then either run into the ground or left waiting for demand that would never come, then wouldn't those memory chips and precious metals all still be more available than otherwise...? I mean, sure, yes, we can try to recycle waste products—but it's still less wasteful not to produce them unnecessarily in the first place.

Agreed, but basic things like sanity seem to have left this hype cycle long ago.

Thankfully real world and physics has the final word, so we can at least plan what to do once the whole thing runs into a wall of reality & make the best of the wreckage.

Re: Thanks a lot, AI: Hard drives are sold out for the year, says WD

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The question isn’t if the demand is real or not (supplies are low, so demand must exist). The question is if the demand curve has permanently shifted, or is this a short-term issue. No one builds new capacity in response to short term changes, because you’ll have difficulty recouping the capital expense. If AI will permanently cause an increase in hard drives over the current growth curve, then WD, et al will build n…

My post argues that the demand has permanently shifted. By the way, plenty of people on HN and Reddit ask if the demand is real or not. They all think there's some collusion to keep the AI bubble going by all the companies. They don't believe AI is that useful today.

Usefulness and overvaluation are not mutually exclusive. AI is useful, but it is not a fraction as useful as these companies spending rates would have one believe.

If it is, then the world is going to lose pretty much all white collar jobs. That's not really the bright future they're selling either.

Re: Thanks a lot, AI: Hard drives are sold out for the year, says WD

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If AI continues at this trajectory, sure, likely to the picks and shovels. If AI has a bubble burst, you could see a lot of used hardware flood the market and then companies like WD could have a hard time selling against their previous inventory.

Given how hard AI is on I/O, while restarting if hardware might go second hand. I dont see hard drives go second hand. Most hardware that we get might be used beyond redeeming even at free price.

Actually used hard disks have gotten pretty popular in the past few years, with sellers like ServerPartDeals building up a reputation by selling drives that are properly tested and recertified. As long as you have redundancy and backups by all accounts they hold up pretty well.

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This is the consequence of "I don't want to write this function myself, I'll get the plagiarism machine to do it for me"

In my experience LLMs mimic human thought, so they don't "copy" but they do write from "experience" -- and they know more than any single developer can.

So I'm getting tired of the argument that LLMs are "plagiarism machines" -- yes, they can be coaxed into repeating training material verbatim, but no, they don't do that unless you try.

Opus 4.6's C compiler? I've not looked at it, but I would bet it does not resemble GCC -- maybe some corners, but overall it must be new, and if the prompting was specific enough as to architecture and design then it might not resemble GCC or any other C compiler much at all.

Not only do LLMs mimic human thinking, but also they mimic human faults. Obviously one way in which they mimic human faults is that there are mistakes in the LLMs' training materials, so they will evince some imperfections, and even contradictions (since there will be contradictions in their training materials). Another way is that their context windows are limited, just like ours. I liken their hallucinations to crappy code written by a tired human at 3AM after a 20 hour day.

If they are so human-like, we really cannot ascribe their output to plagiarism except when prompted so as to plagiarize.

Re: Thanks a lot, AI: Hard drives are sold out for the year, says WD

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These really are some of the toughest years for people trying to buy a computer. We only recently emerged from the cryptocurrency-driven crunch, and now AI has arrived—and this wave is far more severe than crypto. In that light, Apple’s Macs are actually quite good value for money.

Re: Thanks a lot, AI: Hard drives are sold out for the year, says WD

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They are indeed planning for more fabs, in order to meet volumes. Last week: “TSMC's board approves $45 billion spending package on new fabs” https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/semiconductors/ts...

Silicon Valley is arguing that TSMC isn't investing enough. They should be investing hundreds of billions to build fabs, like how big tech is investing in the AI buildout. $45 billion for new fabs is peanuts compared to Amazon's $200b and Google's $180b investment in 2026. Can't really blame TSMC though. It takes years for fabs to go from plan to first wafer. By the time new fabs go online, demand might not be there.…

it all takes years. it takes years for permitting to open up the power plant to run the chips. at the scale the Big 3/4 (google, amazon, microsoft, and meta-ish) are going, we don't actually have the capacity to BUILD the capacity, despite a forecast of just 1% national electricity consumption growth this year, partly because we were expecting electricity demand to slow down and for an orderly shutdown of our fossil fuel plants. we couldn't even fill >100GW of gas/coal turbine orders over the next 5 years if we had to, and we might have to, because some of our grids (notably PJM's) are forecast to be under their safety margin of over-production in the following years.

meanwhile, regional grid operators are faced with Big Tech driving tens of % of total power into private contracts where there's only one customer; they are making the decisions normally reserved for nation-states, right? reopening Three Mile Island sounded like a pipe dream a few years ago. I hear They have something like 50 more experimental, small-scale NPPs they want to fire up across the country in the next few years, too (but despite sounding like a big boon for energy, they're ~meaningless short-term in the face of how much demand we're looking at). -so this power (uh, literally) gets wrested away from the grid authorities and from what was largely the domain of government, to now be managed by techbros and a select few partners who will be reliant on their money; I'm sure that will work out fine.

anyway, part of the reason it does make some sense in the US for the government to push for more coal/LNG turbines, is because they're already there and we need them now; the permitting to un-mothball, prevent mothballing, or expand facilities, is far less arduous than what a company'd have to go through for a new facility (tho again, we don't have capacity to build all the turbines we require inside 5 years anyway). I'm not saying it's a good idea to start sending up more GHGs, but it's maybe better than pricing out electricity for residences and "real" industry. hey, who knows? maybe they'll simply build natural gas pipelines that don't leak this time.

-oh, and then there's the problem with these new datacenters disrupting the traditional power demand curve, because they don't really do as much peak draw anymore; their peak draw is approaching base load, as LLM batching (when a company has a bunch of stuff they want processed and can wait a day for it to run in "off-hours") is sold, and if unsold, that time can be used as training time; so the modern datacenter is a 24/7/365 organ; the heart, powering our society, Moltbook. the importance of this is it makes solar less financially attractive, because now we need to be able to bank more energy since more demand's shifting to overnight. we might also want to consider just getting the moon really, really hot? then we can get a truly substantial haul of lunar light for our panels. you know, we decided against nuking hurricanes again recently; maybe we could build some new ones and nuke the moon, a lot.

Re: Thanks a lot, AI: Hard drives are sold out for the year, says WD

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Regardless where demand comes from, it takes time to spin up a hard drive factory, and prices would have to rise enough that, as a producer, you would feel confident that a new hard drive factory will actually pay off. Conversely, if you feel that boom is irrational and temporary, as a producer you’d be quite wary of investing money in a new factory if there was a risk it would be producing into a glut in a few years…

I'll add that the GPU, CPU, storage, and RAM industries crashed in 2022 after a Covid-induced boom.[0] Everything was cheap. Samsung sold SSDs at a loss that year. TSMC and other suppliers did not invest as much in cap ex in 2022 and 2023 because of the crash. Parts of the shortage today can be blamed by those years. Of course ChatGPT also launched in late 2022 and the rest is history. [0]www.trendforce.com/presscent…

You act like this wasn't just the same as it has always been.

It's always been cycles of cheap production and then human created demand or catastrophes to reduce supply and increase prices back up again.

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