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Re: Amazon Ring's lost dog ad sparks backlash amid fears of mass surveillance

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Post by 63stack »

loeg wrote: post #250
mjr00 wrote: post #20

The Dark Knight was released in 2008. In that movie, Batman hijacks citizens' cellphones to track down the Joker, and it's presented as a major moral and ethical dilemma as part of the movie's overall themes. The only way Batman remains a "good guy" in the eyes of the audience is by destroying the entire thing once he's done. Crazy to think that less than two decades later, an even more powerful surveillance technolo…

Surely it's problematic that Batman doesn't have consent to hijack phones? Whereas participating in Ring is voluntary? Anyway, movies aren't, like, the arbiters of truth. Sometimes they just have simplistic themes.

By that logic having a phone is voluntary as well

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Post by seanhunter »

rpdillon wrote: post #265
slg wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is all intentional. The film is emulating the type of film that would be produced by this fascist regime, of course it isn't going to include proof of the fascists being wrong. But we also don't see any evidence in support of their claims of an "existential threat" beyond the fascists claiming there is one. And since it's from the fascist perspective, the lack of evidence justifying their actions ends up support…

For fellow HN'ers reading this epically long back and forth: sig appears to be taking the more mainstream stance that Starship Troopers is satire. This is reinforced my popular interpretations from, say, Wikipedia, but refuted by others, like say, IMDB. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starship_Troopers_(film) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120201/ mrob is part of the coalition (that included many critics when the film w…

> This is reinforced my popular interpretations from, say, Wikipedia, but refuted by others, like say, IMDB.

Not "refuted", "disputed". If you "dispute" something you disagree with it. If you "refute" something you not only disagree with it but you conclusively prove you are correct.

They certainly haven't done the latter.

This word is very frequently used incorrectly. Sometimes on purpose by people (such as politicians) who would love to be able to actually refute some allegation, but instead just disagree with it and say that they refute it.

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Post by padjo »

pc86 wrote: post #149
padjo wrote: post #114

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The Nolan Batman movies are absolutely risible in retrospect. It's hard to believe how seriously everyone took them back then.

Not a single person in the world took any of them "seriously." They're blockbuster movies about a comic book .

Hah. People absolutely took them seriously and still do. They are pitched as if they're serious important art about issues. People discussed it like it was King Lear.

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Post by echelon_musk »

dangets wrote: post #211
cyode wrote: post #56

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Pulled from IMDB, Morgan Freeman as Lucius Fox voices the consternation perfectly: > Batman: [seeing the wall of monitors for the first time at the Applied Sciences division in Wayne Enterprises] Beautiful, isn't it? > Lucius Fox: Beautiful... unethical... dangerous. You've turned every cellphone in Gotham into a microphone. > Batman: And a high-frequency generator-receiver. > Lucius Fox: You took my sonar concept an…

Go back a little bit further to another Morgan Freeman movie - Se7en (1995) and a big plot point was that it is unthinkable for big brother to be keeping records of what library books people are checking out. Times sure have changed...

Having rewatched that movie recently I found it absurd that all the killer would have had to have done to evade capture was purchase books with cash.

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Post by hackable_sand »

loeg wrote: post #253
whattheheckheck wrote: post #157

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And its not just opt in for the camera owner/licensor it should be explicitly optin for anyone who gets recorded

In the US, you don't have an expectation of privacy in public places.

I'm in the US. I have an expectation of privacy in public places.

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Post by zombot »

matt-attack wrote: post #289

Did anyone catch the recent development in the Nancy Guthrie kidnapping story? For days it was explained that, while she had a Nest doorbell camera (which was stolen by the kidnapper) it was sadly useless because Nancy wasn’t paying for cloud storage. Just live video and notifications. Well what do know happened today? The video of the kidnapper was magically produced by Google. I guess, even when you don’t pay for s…

It has been pointed out in another HN comment thread, but ... surveillors gonna surveil, that's how they make money and accumulate power.

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Post by lnsru »

stackghost wrote: post #272
mjr00 wrote: post #20

The Dark Knight was released in 2008. In that movie, Batman hijacks citizens' cellphones to track down the Joker, and it's presented as a major moral and ethical dilemma as part of the movie's overall themes. The only way Batman remains a "good guy" in the eyes of the audience is by destroying the entire thing once he's done. Crazy to think that less than two decades later, an even more powerful surveillance technolo…

My background is aerospace engineering. Specifically, I have managed technical risk on a variety of aircraft fleets including SAR, military tactical aviation, and special missions aircraft. In a nutshell my job was to look at complex systems, identify likely failure modes, and come up with engineering solutions. I'm very good at it. Perhaps unsurprisingly, it turns out that identifying failure modes in complex system…

My personal question to you: were you able commercialize your error finding skills? I am electrical engineer, I predict very early the week when shit hits the fan. Nobody listens and most of my job nowadays is cleaning the shit. I am sooo tired of being right. I want to find a way to use my future forecast skill instead of fixing obvious things afterwards. One manager told me it’s a normal process to hit the wall at full speed and the re-scope project and move from there. But damn… I don’t want to waste my lifetime doing obvious errors and fixing them. To be clear, errors happen and it’s fine. But most of them are easily predictable.

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Post by alex43578 »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #226
alex43578 wrote: post #218

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1st amendment auditors = confrontational streamers who deliberately take public filming to an extreme. Any cameras are fine for recording any public property . That’s the whole idea of being in public: others can see you, you can see them, and you aren’t (shouldn’t) be doing something you wouldn’t mind being recorded. You have no expectation of privacy standing on a sidewalk.

I'm fine that others can see me. But we don't have to extend that to unlimited recording. We don't have to extend that to robots. 50 years ago you didn't have privacy walking around outside but you weren't subject to constant surveillance and tracking. The current state isn't some inevitable fact of life. It's fixable without any draconian action.

What needs to be fixed about that for a regular person, realistically?

What harm is a regular person suffering from being recorded by the security camera at Home Depot, their neighbor’s Ring doorbell, or even the TSA face recognition at the airport?

Ignoring the fact that there’s alternate-construction approaches to tracking all that (credit cards, your nosey neighbor just looking out a window, phone tracking, passenger manifests, etc), there’s just no realistic harm you incur by being tracked in those ways. If you’ve repeatedly shoplifted at the Home Depot or stole your neighbor’s Amazon package, I get it, but otherwise, what are you doing in the middle of a street that can’t be recorded forever?

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Post by frm88 »

CrzyLngPwd wrote: post #126

A mobile phone is the surveillance dictators' wet dream. What are my subjects doing...tap tap tap...ah there they are. Oh him, he needs to be cancelled, he isn't where I wanted him to be.

Feersum Endjinn has this plot line. Can recommend.
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