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Re: Luce: First Electric Ferrari

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I've never had one but it would be kind of interesting to see what the max cornering force was and maybe useful to see how close to the limit you are.

What limit? The limit is when the tyres lose traction, not some number on a screen.

I'm curious what the number is at that point. I think about 0.6g for your average car in the dry.

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Even the ridiculous 1019 hp Taycan Turbo GT Weissach edition (a 4-door car with no rear seats, such are the compromises made for the track) at best achieved 7:07.55 around the Nurburgring. A gas 911 GT3 RS with less than half the horsepower laps it in 6:49.3. The 911 by most measures is the slower car (10.9s 1/4 mile vs 9.2s for the Taycan, 184mph top speed vs 190 etc). The difference is the 911s superior handling an…

I don’t think most automotive folks or enthusiasts (apart from the track crowd) would agree that car handling and chassis tuning can be expressed in a lap time, even if it is nordschleife.

Good handling is certainly somewhat subjective (along the lines of "fun, communicative, begging to be pushed to its limits"). But even when its not about pure numbers, I still haven't seen the Taycan voted best-handling among enthusiast reviewers (except when qualified with "for an EV"). I'm curious what criteria you might be referring to? The "most fun" handling cars still seem to go to the lightweights like the Miata.

Re: Luce: First Electric Ferrari

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BMWs interior pre-iPad-glued-to-the-dash is of the same quality. The automatic gear shifter is stateless, by it has an extremely satisfying clunk, buttons and dials for everything. Note that a stateless gear shifter isn't ideal if you ever need to move your car on a dead battery. In a BMW you need to go under the car and screw in a bolt that pushes the parking pall into neutral.

> iPad-glued-to-the-dash Whoever started this trend has a lot to answer for. It looks tacky as hell and is a technically-inferior solution to just having a dock that would let a customer bring their own tablet. It's truly the worst of both worlds and a seemingly pervasive problem across multiple manufacturers in the automotive design space.

You can’t have a dock for the users tablet because, despite appearances, the system is actually safety rated, and rated to temperature Class H (125degC) as well.

This is in contrast to consumer electronics which are not hard realtime, also they would probably melt and catch fire if left inside the car in direct sunlight.

Re: Luce: First Electric Ferrari

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I saw paddles and thought, finally someone that incorporated a 2-4 speed transmission in order to put some form of soul in EV. But no.

If I understand you correctly, there is a cool video on youtube that shows off a concept AE86 EV conversion that matches the driving experience of the original.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DE2oDKguy3Q

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Ferrari will sell all that they make. If you want to purchase one of the highly desirable low-volume models you can't just walk into a dealership and write a check. You first have to purchase a few of the high-volume models to earn enough "points" on their internal customer priority list. A lot of rich guys will buy a Luce just for that purpose, and then leave it in their garage or maybe drive it to the country club…

wow. I never cease to marvel at the companies that make you jump through hoops in order to give them your money. chesterton had a good passage on that in his father brown mysteries (highly recommended to any fan of the genre): The Vernon Hotel at which The Twelve True Fishermen held their annual dinners was an institution such as can only exist in an oligarchical society which has almost gone mad on good manners. It…

Yeah the fact that Rolex and Hermes fanboys/girls get so suckered into it and applaud them for it is pretty bizarre. Even believing Rolex has a limited capacity for making ten grand watches out of €5 of metal parts.

I sometimes wonder whether listening to Public Enemy rap “Don’t believe the hype” at a young age wired me for life.

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I think they're already cheaper in China, especially on the low-end where (as per Vimes' Boots) sticker price matters more than TCO. China's got this, for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wuling_Hongguang_Mini_EV

That's extremely cute. The Euro version is as low as E13,000: https://nikrob.lt/ ; let's not forget that depreciation will make secondhand versions even cheaper.

What's the crash safety on that electric carboard box versus a 13k used ICE VW?

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Yes, the dashboard must be tan. Like in Magnum PI.

I don't think the dashboard was tan. The seats maybe https://car-images.bauersecure.com/wp-images/202622/1040x0/m... I used to have a 308. You don't notice the dash design much while being distracted by the noise it makes, heavy steering and awkward gear change. Nice body styling though.

vetroresina or steel?

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In case anyone was wondering what the Apple Car would have looked like inside, it would have been roughly this. As an Apple Car™ it makes sense, but as a Ferrari it's incredibly soulless and oversimplified. This Ive design aesthetic (Dieter Rams' aesthetic really) is fine on consumer electronics where you want the device to disappear and give way to the display, but on something as emotional as a vehicle (Ferrari esp…

"this design falls flat" he says, as if it was an objective fact and not a personal preference

Re: Luce: First Electric Ferrari

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I don't know but why all electric cars look similarly bare inside? Why don't you make it more exciting and not so “tesla” moderate?

Probably to save weight, given how much the batteries weigh in electric cars. This is purely an uneducated guess, though...

But most of them have panoramic roof, isn’t it way heavier?
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