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Why is Singapore no longer "cool"?

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Re: Why is Singapore no longer "cool"?

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Post by philwelch »

dangus wrote: post #276
philwelch wrote: post #273

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> I'd love to hear about your economical plan to extract resources and populate the rest of the solar system. A good starting point is Gerard O’Neill’s 1977 book The High Frontier . > It currently costs approximately $4,000 per kg to transport anything into space, that's current bargain basement SpaceX pricing. It also consumes non-renewable fossil fuels to do so. There are plenty of materials in the solar system tha…

Why does everyone in this thread keep talking about bucket crabs like they’re in some kind of groupthink cult? I don’t know what the fuck anyone means by bucket crabs. Living in space is essentially like living in the ocean with all the same environments challenges. We don’t do that and never have because it doesn’t really make logical sense, we have better options available. It lends the question of “why do that?” W…

> I don’t know what the fuck anyone means by bucket crabs.

If you put one crab in a bucket, it might climb out. If you put many crabs in a bucket, they will actually stop each other from climbing out. This is an extremely common metaphor.

> Living in space is essentially like living in the ocean with all the same environments challenges.

Maybe we’ll do that too someday.

> This planet will be habitable for tens of thousands of years at the bare minimum if we take care of it

With a very limited amount of space and resources. We got into this discussion because of concerns about overpopulation. The Earth has plenty of natural resources and can almost certainly handle a much higher population than it has now, but exploiting the rest of the solar system will make it last even longer and allow significantly more material wealth for every person alive even at a significantly higher total population.

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Post by philwelch »

GJim wrote: post #174
philwelch wrote: post #165

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It’s more generational-cohort-ism.

Please re-read what was written by typhon and take your prejudice elsewhere.

There’s no “typhon” in this thread. Did you mean “typon”? I did reread his comment; it expressed a negative view of a specific generational cohort rather than old people in general.

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Post by lifestyleguru »

panick21_ wrote: post #265
lifestyleguru wrote: post #256

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In Switzerland you're not going to rent or buy any housing. If a miracle somehow happens you'll live in hotel room sized studio and your full time job will be rental laws and regulations. With no housing it's irrelevant how real the democracy is there.

The rail system is good enough that you can live 30min from most cities and be in the country side where prices are not crazy.

No sorry, the real democracy has spoken and said no housing for you.

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Post by deaux »

csa wrote: post #255
deaux wrote: post #100

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You quoted "reasonable", but nothing what you said has any effect on reasonableness. If someone warns you that they're going to murder you if you post another 5 comments on HackerNews, and keeps you up-to-date with every comment you make, nothing about those warnings makes the subsequent murder after your 5th comment more reasonable than if they hadn't given those warnings.

> You quoted "reasonable", but nothing what you said has any effect on reasonableness. Being notified that you are or have been breaking the law and being told that there will be severe consequences if you don’t stop seems reasonable to me. It may not be how we do it in the west, but it’s hard to argue that this can’t be perceived as reasonable. Let me give you an example that opened my eyes. It’s one of many, but it…

> Posting on HN is not against the law (at least where I am).

If my scenario were law, it would still be entirely unreasonable.

Besides, law is an entirely fluid concept in general, including in Singapore, but really anywhere, to varying degrees. The US has recently been making this incredibly clear for even the blindest to see, but it was already the case before.

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Post by currymj »

lifestyleguru wrote: post #256
currymj wrote: post #190

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Switzerland is like this and is also a real democracy. Although the food is not as good.

In Switzerland you're not going to rent or buy any housing. If a miracle somehow happens you'll live in hotel room sized studio and your full time job will be rental laws and regulations. With no housing it's irrelevant how real the democracy is there.

I have rented an apartment in Zürich (a hotel-room sized studio as you say, though with high quality construction and amenities). it was indeed pretty frustrating to go through the apartment search, but it is possible to rent housing, as evidenced by the fact that millions of Swiss citizens and residents live indoors.

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Post by lifestyleguru »

currymj wrote: post #295
lifestyleguru wrote: post #256

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In Switzerland you're not going to rent or buy any housing. If a miracle somehow happens you'll live in hotel room sized studio and your full time job will be rental laws and regulations. With no housing it's irrelevant how real the democracy is there.

I have rented an apartment in Zürich (a hotel-room sized studio as you say, though with high quality construction and amenities). it was indeed pretty frustrating to go through the apartment search, but it is possible to rent housing, as evidenced by the fact that millions of Swiss citizens and residents live indoors.

> but it is possible to rent housing, as evidenced by the fact that millions of Swiss citizens and residents live indoors.

Otherwise you are on a fast track from "unable to find housing" to "have to leave the country".

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somenameforme wrote: post #278
dangus wrote: post #274

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Meanwhile, Boston Dynamics robots are doing gymnastics routines and speaking in human language using LLMs. I wonder what they’ll be doing in 10 years. I’m not particularly worried about a labor crunch long term. Labor availability is more detached from economic output and prosperity than ever before. If prosperity had to do with labor and birth rate you’d have to explain why Japan and South Korea have better living s…

You're only considering superficial last mile manufacturing of stuff - not the entire labor pipeline involved in processes. Going from elemental silicon to RAM requires an absolutely insane amount of labor across a vast array of fields and specializations. And imminent seeming doesn't mean imminent. A decade ago full self driving, let alone for commercial trucking, seemed obvious and imminent. Today, it's not only no…

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Post by hattmall »

dangus wrote: post #277
Der_Einzige wrote: post #259

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You have to read the correct translation. The one that specifically references why it's good to die young

Well, that’s stupid. It’s not admirable to die young. My grandma lived 96 years of a happy, healthy, enriching life. She got her college degree at age 60. She had a beaming smile when she played with her great grandchildren. She enjoyed the company of her husband well into her 90s. She lived independently until the last month of her life. And there we go with the bible, you gotta read the correct telephone game trans…

Yes, but your grandmother still died young. The future is one where fewer and fewer people reproduce but we have a far greater pace of longevity breakthroughs. The first humans to live to be 200 are almost certainly alive today, and in that 100 extra years the pace of innovation should increase and 200 will become young. The inevitable outcome is that machines will enslave humans, humans which never die and thus are trapped as slaves never reaching heaven. i.e. in hell. Constantly surveilled,too valuable to die and yet fully capable of experiencing pain, anguish and torment.

The alternative is that some sort of societal collapse resets humanity to a much lower technological level in which case your grandmother was likely also fortunate to have missed that.

The overall concept is that the only way to get to heaven is to leave earth. Thus, anyone who does that, has, from the perspective of those that remain and inevitably break the longevity barrier, died young.

Think of how disappointed the billions of souls in heaven, experiencing only peace and bliss, would be if their time on earth had increased 10x due antibiotics. It's not the dead who mourn, but the living.

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