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Coding agents have replaced every framework I used

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Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used

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Post by layer8 »

tenthirtyam wrote: post #270
rglover wrote: post #139

A significant number of developers and businesses are going to have an absolutely brutal rude awakening in the not too distant future. You can build things this way, and they may work for a time, but you don't know what you don't know (and experience teaches you that you only find most stuff by building/struggling; not sipping a soda while the AI blurts out potentially secure/stable code). The hubris around AI is goi…

My expectation is that there'll never be a single bust-up moment, no line-in-the-sand beyond which we'll be able to say "it doesn't work anymore." Instead agent written code will get more and more complex, requiring more and more tokens (& NPU/GPU/RAM) to create/review/debug/modify, and will rapidly pass beyond any hope of a human understanding even for relatively simple projects (e.g. such as a banking app on your p…

Maybe software systems will become more like biological organisms. Huge complexity with parts bordering on chaos, but still working reasonably well most of the time, until entropy takes its course.

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Post by feastingonslop »

harrisi wrote: post #288
rglover wrote: post #139

A significant number of developers and businesses are going to have an absolutely brutal rude awakening in the not too distant future. You can build things this way, and they may work for a time, but you don't know what you don't know (and experience teaches you that you only find most stuff by building/struggling; not sipping a soda while the AI blurts out potentially secure/stable code). The hubris around AI is goi…

The aspect of "potentially secure/stable code" is very interesting to me. There's an enormous amount of code that aren't secure or stable already (I'd argue virtually all of the code in existence). This has already been a problem. There's no real ramifications for it. Even for something like Cloudflare stopping a significant amount of Internet traffic for any amount of time is not (as far as I know) investigated in a…

Nobody is saying to skip testing the software. Testing is still important. What the code itself looks like, isn’t.

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Post by GeoAtreides »

GoatInGrey wrote: post #173
ipsento606 wrote: post #115

> Software engineers are scared of designing things themselves. When I use a framework, it's because I believe that the designers of that framework are i) probably better at software engineering than I am, and ii) have encountered all sorts of problems and scaling issues (both in terms of usage and actual codebase size) that I haven't encountered yet, and have designed the framework to ameliorate those problems. Thos…

To be blunt, I think it's a form of mania that drives someone to reject human-written code in favor of LLM-generated code. Every time I read writing from this perspective that exceeds a paragraph, I quickly realize the article itself was written by an LLM. When they automate this much writing, it makes me wonder how much of their own reading they automate away too. The below captures this perfectly. The author is try…

> it's a form of mania

Correct. The history is rife with examples of manias taking hold of societies, I recommend "Memoirs of Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds" by Charles Mackay[1], it's an absolutely fascinating book.

[1]https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/24518

Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used

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Post by wrs »

peteforde wrote: post #83

I have been using Cursor w/ Opus 4.x to do extensive embedded development work over the past six months in particular. My own take on this topic is that for all of the chatter about LLMs in software engineering, I think a lot of folks are missing the opportunity to pull back and talk about LLMs in the context of engineering writ large. [I'm not capitalizing engineering because I'm using the HN lens of product develop…

I didn’t even give Claude (Opus 4.1) the registers when I did this for a recent ESP32 + ST7789 Rust project. I think I literally just said “make a driver with a double frame buffer for the ST7789 on SPI1, with DMA updates“. And it did it.

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Post by pawelduda »

LunaSea wrote: post #265
pawelduda wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Bitcoin and major cryptos outperformed a lot of assets over the last decade, so you could say it left some people behind in the dust, yes

Like being ratioed with a 50% price crash?

I can tell you what a decade is but I'll have to leave the reading comprehension to you

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Post by karel-3d »

abcde666777 wrote: post #25

It's strange to me when articles like this describe the 'pain of writing code'. I've always found that the easy part. Anyway, this stuff makes me think of what it would be like if you had Tolkein around today using AI to assist him in his writing. 'Claude, generate me a paragraph describing Frodo and Sam having an argument over the trustworthiness of Gollum. Frodo should be defending Gollum and Sam should be on his s…

Sometimes you are not writing Lord of the Rings.

Sometimes you are writing a marketing copy for a new Nissan that's basically the same as last year Nissan, yet you need to sell it somehow. Nobody will REALLY read it more than 2 seconds and your words will be immediately forgotten. Maybe some AI is good then.

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Post by paulhebert »

bthornbury wrote: post #244
rglover wrote: post #139

A significant number of developers and businesses are going to have an absolutely brutal rude awakening in the not too distant future. You can build things this way, and they may work for a time, but you don't know what you don't know (and experience teaches you that you only find most stuff by building/struggling; not sipping a soda while the AI blurts out potentially secure/stable code). The hubris around AI is goi…

Why does there seem to be such a divide in opinions on AI in coding? Meanwhile those who "get it" have been improving their productivity for literally years now.

I think there are a number of elements:

- What you are working on. AI is better at solving already solved problems with lots of examples.

- How fast/skilled you were before. If you were slow before then you got a bigger speed up. If AI can solve problems you can’t you unlock new abilities

- How much quality is prioritized. You can write quality, bug free code with AI but it takes longer and you get less of a boost.

- How much time you spend coding. If a lot of your job is design/architecture/planning/research then speeding up code generation matters less

- How much you like coding. If you like coding then using AI is less fun. If you didn’t like coding then you get to skip a chore

- How much you care about deeply understanding systems

- How much you care about externalities: power usage, data theft, job loss, etc.

- How much boilerplate you were writing before

I’m sure that’s not a complete list but they are a few things I’ve seen as dividers

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Post by devsda »

MrDarcy wrote: post #268
goostavos wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>software engineers today are 100x more productive Somebody needs to explain to my lying eyes where these 100xers are hiding. They seem to live in comments on the internet, but I'm not seeing the teams around me increase their output by two orders of magnitude.

They are the people who have the design sense of someone like Rob Pike but lack his coding skill. These people are now 100x more capable than they were previously.

This is how you get managers saying

"we have taken latest AI subscription. We expect you to be able to increase productivity and complete 5/10/100 stories per sprint from now on instead of one per sprint that we planned previously".

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Post by GeoAtreides »

throwaw12 wrote: post #132
kmac_ wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Current models won't write anything new, they are "just" great at matching, qualifying, and copying patterns. They bring a lot of value right now, but there is no creativity.

95% of the industry wasn't creating creative value, it was repetitive. * auth + RBAC, known problem, just needs integration * 3rd party integration, they have API, known problem, just needs integration * make webpage responsive, millions of CSS lines * even video gaming, most engines are already written, just add your character and call couple of APIs to move them in the 3D space

Not sure what 95% of the industry created, but it did bring liquidity in my bank account and a roof over my head.

now what?

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