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A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

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Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

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Post by louiereederson »

TiredOfLife wrote: post #274
louiereederson wrote: post #238

- Why do you need a reminder to buy gloves when you are holding them? - Why do you need price trackers for airbnb? It is not a superliquid market with daily price swings. - Cataloguing your fridge requires taking pictures of everything you add and remove which seems... tedious. Just remember what you have? - Can you not prepare for the next day by opening your calendar? - If you have reminders for everything (respond…

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Do you have that much trouble remembering what is in your fridge to consider this the stupidest thing you have ever read on this site? I feel superhuman.

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Post by yesbabyyes »

the_af wrote: post #59
zenmac wrote: post #40

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easier to type without using the shift key, and in pg you can just use LIKE not ILIKE to find the word.

Text is meant primarily to be read rather than written .

Sure, but preeminently for effortless querying in PostgreSQL.

Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

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Post by malfist »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #263
louiereederson wrote: post #238

- Why do you need a reminder to buy gloves when you are holding them? - Why do you need price trackers for airbnb? It is not a superliquid market with daily price swings. - Cataloguing your fridge requires taking pictures of everything you add and remove which seems... tedious. Just remember what you have? - Can you not prepare for the next day by opening your calendar? - If you have reminders for everything (respond…

Yeah, a lot of these AI "uses" feel like solutions looking for a problem. It's the equivalent of me having to press a button on the steering wheel of my Tesla and say "Open Glovebox" and wait 1-2 seconds for the glove box to open (the wonders of technology!) instead of just reaching over and pressing a button to open the glovebox instantly (a button that Tesla removed because "voice-operated controls are cool!"). Or…

I really appreciate your condensing of the AI problem. I think the only thing it's missing is that at least 5% of the time, when you tell it to open the glovebox it tells you it's already open and leaves it closed, or turns on your turn signals.

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Post by mh2266 »

azan_ wrote: post #167
PurpleRamen wrote: post #122

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So people are hyped because they don't know cron?

Yeah and people were hyped for Dropbox because they did not know rsync and ftp.

Dropbox wasn't given access to your bank account 2fa. There should maybe be slightly more gatekeeping around installing software that unironically advertises itself as RCE: https://docs.openclaw.ai/gateway/security#node-execution-sys...

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Post by yoyohello13 »

munificent wrote: post #188

> as someone who has a chest freezer and a compulsive desire to buy too many things at costco, we take everything out of the freezer every few months to check what we have. before, this was a relatively involved process: me calling things out, my partner writing them down. A thought I constantly find myself having when I read accounts of people automating and accelerating aspects of their life by using AI... Are you…

The freezer one is so weird because there is an even simpler solution to the problem. Just buy less shit! If you have so much stuff that you can’t keep track then don’t have so much stuff, simple.

I think there is a common psychology when people notice a problem they first think about what they can add to solve the problem, when often the best solution is to think about what you can remove.

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Post by [deleted] »

skybrian wrote: post #130
okinok wrote: post #7

>all delegation involves risk. with a human assistant, the risks include: intentional misuse (she could run off with my credit card), accidents (her computer could get stolen), or social engineering (someone could impersonate me and request information from her). One of the differences in risk here would be that I think you got some legal protection if your human assistant misuse it, or it gets stolen. But, with the…

Banks will try to get out of it, but in the US, Regulation E could probably be used to get the money back, at least for someone aware of it. And OpenClaw could probably help :) https://www.bitsaboutmoney.com/archive/regulation-e/

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Post by maxkfranz »

jasondigitized wrote: post #159
louiereederson wrote: post #147

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i don't know this author but ian bremner does this. it's as if he's conveying what he believes are serious and important thoughts in an unserious and casual way, to make it appear as if the thoughts - which again he probably thinks are brilliant - just come quickly and naturally. it comes across as performative though again not making claims against this author. and yes i am not using sentence case here, but this is…

It's the equivalent of TikTokers who provide hot takes while eating food. It's done to feign being superior and aloof, e.g. "This is so easy to understand and so beneath my intellect, I can tell you about it will I eat these crackers"

George: To cover my nervousness I started eating an apple, because I think if they hear you chewing on the other end of the phone, it makes you sound casual.

Jerry: Yeah, like a farm boy.

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Post by yoyohello13 »

hackyhacky wrote: post #234
baalimago wrote: post #166

I'm a bit surprised that people need an LLM to automate things like this. Is the market really that large, to cause such a hype? I don't think I'm being "elitist" by having a calendar and a pen, am I..? The one tangible usecase is perhaps booking things. But, personally, I don't mind paying 5-10% extra by going to a local store and speaking to a real person. Or perhaps intentionally buying ecological. Or whatever. Wh…

IMHO the "killer app" aspect of OpenClaw (and similar) is that everything is now an API . We think of chat apps, like WhatsApp, as being ways to communicate with people, which is a nice way of saying they are protocols. When you want something, you send a message, and you get an answer, just like with HTTP, except the endpoints have been controlled by meat. With OpenClaw, the meat is gone. Now you can send a message…

> We've replaced human communication with an ad-hoc, open-ended date-negotiation protocol, using English instead of JSON as a data-interchange format, and OpenClaw as the interface library.

People heralding this as a good thing is extremely disturbing.

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Post by blibble »

mmahemoff wrote: post #141
blibble wrote: post #112

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> An additional benefit of isolating the account is it would help to limit damage if it gets frozen and cancelled. you end up on the fraudster list and it will follow you for the rest of your life (CIFAS in the UK)

Sure, if the bot is actually committing fraud, but there's perfectly valid use cases that don't involve fraud, e.g., buying groceries, booking travel. And some banks provide APIs, so it's allowed for a bot to use them. However, any of that can easily lead to flagging by overzealous systems. Having a separate account flagged would give the user a better chance of keeping their regular payments system around while the…

it just has to look fraudulent

and then if you tell them it's not you doing the transactions: you will be immediately banned

"oh it's my agent" will not go down well

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