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X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by BrandoElFollito »

bulbar wrote: post #266
BrandoElFollito wrote: post #197

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I am not surprised at all. Independent of whether this is true, such a decision from the EU would never be acted upon. The number of layers between the one who says "ban it" somewhere in Bruissels and the operator blackholing the DNS and filtering traffic is decades.

Why do you think that? It can take a few years for national laws bring in place, but that also depends on how much certain countries push it. Regarding Internet traffic I assume a few specific countries that route most of the traffic would be enough to stop operation for the most part.

Have you ever seen an actual EU-wide decision on such matters and an actual application?

The closest I can think of is GDPR which has its great aspects and also the cookies law (which is incorrectly interpreted). And some things like private IPs being PIIs which promotes nonsnsical "authorities notifications" that are not used afterwards.

We have consulting companies doing yearly audits on companies to close the books. And yet hacks happen all the time. Without consequences.

There is an ocean between what is announced and lives on paper vs. the reality of the application. If you work in compliance and cubersecurity you see this everyday.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by nilamo »

mmooss wrote: post #249
niemandhier wrote: post #227

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Gather evidence against employees, use that evidence to put them under pressure to testify against their employer or grant access to evidence. Sabu was put under pressure by the FBI, they threatened to place his kids into foster care. That was legal. Guess what, similar things would be legal in France. We all forget that money is nice, but nation states have real power. Western liberal democracies just rarely use it.…

> Western liberal democracies just rarely use it. Also, they are restricted in how they use it, and defendents have rights and due process. > Sabu was put under pressure by the FBI, they threatened to place his kids into foster care. Though things like that can happen, which are very serious.

> Also, they are restricted in how they use it, and defendents have rights and due process.

It's a nice sentiment, if true. ICE is out there, right now today, ignoring both individual rights as well as due process.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by Uhhrrr »

latexr wrote: post #271
Uhhrrr wrote: post #110

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> fairly open platform where people can choose what to post and who to follow. It is well known Musk amplifies his own speech and the words of those he agrees with on the platform, while banning those he doesn’t like. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/jan/15/elon-m... > could you clarify what the difference is between the near right and the far right? It’s called far-right because it’s further to the rig…

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Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by fragmede »

caminante wrote: post #243
intrasight wrote: post #232

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It is aggressive compliance. The legality would be determined by the courts as usual.

> aggressive compliance Put this up there with nonsensical phrases like "violent agreement." ;-)

violent agreement is when you're debating something with someone, and you end up yelling at each other because you think you disagree on something, but then you realize that you (violently, as in "are yelling at each other") agree on whatever it is. Agressive compliance is when the corporate drone over-zealously follows stupid/pointless rules when they could just look the other way, to the point of it being aggressively compliant (with stupid corporate mumbo jumbo).

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by mschuster91 »

mmooss wrote: post #249
niemandhier wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gather evidence against employees, use that evidence to put them under pressure to testify against their employer or grant access to evidence. Sabu was put under pressure by the FBI, they threatened to place his kids into foster care. That was legal. Guess what, similar things would be legal in France. We all forget that money is nice, but nation states have real power. Western liberal democracies just rarely use it.…

> Western liberal democracies just rarely use it. Also, they are restricted in how they use it, and defendents have rights and due process. > Sabu was put under pressure by the FBI, they threatened to place his kids into foster care. Though things like that can happen, which are very serious.

> Also, they are restricted in how they use it, and defendents have rights and due process.

As we're seeing with the current US President... the government doesn't (have to) care.

In any case, CSAM is the one thing other than Islamist terrorism that will bypass a lot of restrictions on how police are supposed to operate (see e.g. Encrochat, An0m) across virtually all civilized nations. Western nations also will take anything that remotely smells like Russia as a justification.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by mschuster91 »

ta9000 wrote: post #188

Guess that will be a SpaceX problem soon enough. What a mess.

How was that move legal anyway? Like... a lot of people and governments gave Musk money to develop, build and launch rockets. And now he's using it to bail out his failing social media network and CSAM peddling AI service.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by [deleted] »

speed_spread wrote: post #281
kps wrote: post #255

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> We all forget that money is nice, but nation states have real power. Elon has ICBMs, but France has warheads.

France has Ariane, which was good enough to send Jame Web Telescope to some Lagrange point with extra precision. It's all fun and and games until the French finish their cigarette, arms French Guyana and fire ze missiles.

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Post by Uhhrrr »

SilverElfin wrote: post #187
Uhhrrr wrote: post #110

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Far right to me is advocating for things that discriminate based on protected traits like race, sex, etc. So if you’re advocating for “white culture” above others, that’s far right. If you’re advocating for the 19th amendment (women’s right to vote) to be repealed (as Nick Fuentes and similar influencers do), that’s also far right. Advocating for ICE to terrorize peaceful residents, violate constitutional rights, or…

I think your definition is mostly fine, although deporting illegal immigrants is a moderate position, not near right.

And I would agree with the other reply that Musk is not far right by that definition.

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