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Iran's internet blackout may become permanent, with access for elites only

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Re: Iran's internet blackout may become permanent, with access for elites only

#291

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> UK is making you "show your ID card" to jerk off. There are no ID cards in the UK, so you actually have to get a special jerking off loicense.

> There are no ID cards in the UK Not physical cards, but a digital ID system is on the way :(

> Not physical cards, but a digital ID system is on the way :(

No there isn't : https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3385zrrx73o

Re: Iran's internet blackout may become permanent, with access for elites only

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> I can't do anything about iran, i don't live there You also don’t live in the United States, or in Israel or Palestine but folks tend to forget that it seems. But you can do something anyway which is to be aware of the atrocities committed by Iran’s regime, make sure your government is aware of your opinion, you can protest outside the Iranian embassy in your country, help Iranian dissidents, help Iranians find sne…

But what can you do for iran? I mean... we can type text on forums and sites like this, that no one in iran can see... and in the meantime, EU will push for another chat control, some new "think of the children" thing will happen, suddenly the "show your real-identity ID to watch at porn" will turn into "show your ID to register on reddit". On the other hand, there are many people from EU here who need to hear it, th…

> I can't do anything about iran, i don't live there

(Just a reminder that the above is what I responded to)

> But what can you do for iran?

You can encourage your governments to take action against Iran as well. Further sanctions, diplomatic pressure, providing support to the Iranian people, &c. In my case as an American I am encouraging my government to take the toughest action possible to stop Iran. Much of the blood of dead Palestinians can be placed at their feet too since they arm and support Hezbollah and Hamas who are doing what they can to keep killing people and keep the conflict active.

Just because you personally don't know what can be done doesn't mean something can't be done, and at a minimum you can encourage your government to continue to do the things it's already doing. You don't have to know what can be done, you can leave that up to others while demanding that the Iranian regime halt its indiscriminate mass murder of Iranian civilians before they make the number of people killed in Gaza look like a warmup.

Not living in Iran doesn't mean you (an EU citizen I presume) can't do anything about the actions of that regime. It's simply not a valid argument.

Re: Iran's internet blackout may become permanent, with access for elites only

#293

I don't see any drawbacks on this. Recent protests demonstrated that: a) protests can and will be crushed by the government forces and people will be ultimately defeated; b) people have no means to force government to enable back freedoms; c) control is much easier with no internet available. Russia is on the same path by providing white-list only internet access "during Ukrainian attacks" and a bit longer every time…

Drawbacks are that your population loses contact with progress. Your people become less skilled for the modern world. That's fine if you want a country of agrarian peasants or factory-working drones, but it cripples your country if it's in a technological arms race.

I mean, North Korea does manage to produce rockets and nuclear warheads. They aren't exporting technology, though.

Re: Iran's internet blackout may become permanent, with access for elites only

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Spacex satellites blockage was the surprise. How did they do it? I thought it would be the best dooms day kind of insurance. Turns out not.

My wild guess is that jamming is local. Major cities may be fully jammed. To get an idea about GNSS jamming range (different signal of course, probably much easier to jam), there are maps online where you can see which parts of Europe are currently GNSS-jammed. But I have the same question as you.

The GPS jamming maps are based on commercial air traffic flying in the area.

While that gives some ideas of how widespread the jamming is, it won't give accurate information about the range (air traffic avoids areas with jamming) of the interference or any information from places where there is no commercial air traffic (war zones, etc).

Re: Iran's internet blackout may become permanent, with access for elites only

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I've been moderately happy this morning to find out I can open hackernews. Also Gmail is working. After attempting to get bridges using email and configuring an dozen of them I got 100% connection but then it disconnected without me being able to connect to anything. I would assume some sort of tunneling must be possible cause the services available are varied and not limited to a few websites (We only had access to…

I there anything the outside world can do? Like are the people relying on https://snowflake.torproject.org/ and adding bandwidth there actually makes a difference?

We can help resurrect Murmur via https://github.com/De-Novo-Group/rangzen-revival

Here’s Tamir’s call for action https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7419994...

Re: Iran's internet blackout may become permanent, with access for elites only

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… while every other country waits to see how it goes while drafting plans to emulate this

The global cybersphere will split up, the west and other parties have shown they will use social media networks to organize regime change and take over legitimate protests. Especially now that China is taking an ever increasing share of the global information streams. Given the increased panicked the US had about tiktok. Showing the result of the western sponsored genocide in Gaza. They had to enforce ownership hando…

When it comes to the internet, it seems to me that "the other parties" here carries a lot of weight when it comes to disinfo, polarizing propaganda, etc.

Re: Iran's internet blackout may become permanent, with access for elites only

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Their economic prosperity is more linked to Oil than Internet. Plus, the elites economic prosperity is also linked to their not being protests and for the toppling of govt to not occur and they might be willing to offset some losses to keep the average population in check Which sucks for the average iranian but we saw how their protests were cracked down with 20-30 THOUSAND people killed and Iran hiding bodies etc. I…

Yeah, foreign intervention is probably the best option at this point. If the elites are willing to murder tends of thousands of innocent people, then I see no moral issues with foreign intervention to get rid of IRGC and current government using any means necessary.

Two things can be true at once:

1. The government of Iran is an oppressive, immoral dictatorship.

2. Foreign intervention to try to remove it would likely result in worse outcomes, not better.

Re: Iran's internet blackout may become permanent, with access for elites only

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I mean... EU already blocks eg. some russian sites (some countries more effectively than others)... plus all the chat control pressures every year. Spain is blocking whole blocks of internet during football matches. UK is making you "show your ID card" to jerk off. But every such country likes pointing fingers at others, "hey, our censorship is not bad, they have more of it!". edit: considering the downvotes, HN is n…

> UK is making you "show your ID card" to jerk off. If you are going to post shit like that, at least get your fucking facts right. Namely that you are three weeks out of date sushine. The idea has been dropped: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3385zrrx73o

Reading comprehension, my friend.

The article you linked to is about the dropped plan to require ID for permission to work in the UK.

The parent commenter is referring to age verification for accessing adult content using "highly effective age-assurance systems" (such as photo ID cards, biometrics, etc.) under the Online Safety Act 2023, which is still very much in effect.

Re: Iran's internet blackout may become permanent, with access for elites only

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Here's crazy idea: Instead of the US spending all this money on restraining the Iranian government through military build ups and sanctions, rather drop hundreds of thousands of Starlink kits by drones. Firstly the protesters will be able to communicate in private. And secondly, Iranians will continue to be reminded of the freedoms most other Muslims enjoy: As in free speech and free trade. One of the reasons the Ber…

What? No. There are countless reasons why the wall fell but TV wasn't one of them. East Europeans didn't 'see' anything 'on TV' that would suggest anything other than what was endorsed by local authorities.

Trade was a big factor though. As the collective quality of life in the East was deteriorating, efforts were made by authorities to save the dire situation by opening trade and some degree of freedom of movement with the West. As this plan failed economically, a side effect was that it only became common knowledge across society how big the gap in quality of life really was.

The idea that free internet access will magically change the situation for Iranians on it's own is naive.

Re: Iran's internet blackout may become permanent, with access for elites only

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I don't see any drawbacks on this. Recent protests demonstrated that: a) protests can and will be crushed by the government forces and people will be ultimately defeated; b) people have no means to force government to enable back freedoms; c) control is much easier with no internet available. Russia is on the same path by providing white-list only internet access "during Ukrainian attacks" and a bit longer every time…

Drawbacks are that your population loses contact with progress. Your people become less skilled for the modern world. That's fine if you want a country of agrarian peasants or factory-working drones, but it cripples your country if it's in a technological arms race. I mean, North Korea does manage to produce rockets and nuclear warheads. They aren't exporting technology, though.

> your population loses contact with progress

This is only a drawback if you think about your country's future.

Which oppressive regimes do not.

Thus it is an advantage, not a drawback.

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