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Microsoft gave FBI set of BitLocker encryption keys to unlock suspects' laptops

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Re: Microsoft gave FBI set of BitLocker encryption keys to unlock suspects' laptops

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Uploading your encryption keys is not just "any sort of feature".

You're right, it's less intrusive than uploading your files directly, like a backup does.

I’m still pissed about the third+ time one drive ‘helpfully’ backed up all my files after I disabled it.

So that may not be a great example of you’re trying to make people like Microsoft.

Re: Microsoft gave FBI set of BitLocker encryption keys to unlock suspects' laptops

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Yes, they push the MS account stuff very hard. I've found Windows so actively hostile to the user that I basically only use Linux now. I used to be a windows user, it has really devolved to the point where it's easier for me to use Linux (though I'm technical). I really feel for the people who aren't technical and are forced to endure the crap that windows pushes on users now.

> actively hostile That’s the real problem MS has. It’s becoming a meme how bad the relationship between the user and windows is. It’s going to cause generational damage to their company just so they can put ads in the start menu.

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Re: Microsoft gave FBI set of BitLocker encryption keys to unlock suspects' laptops

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Based on the comments in the thread, I sense I will be in the minority, but for most consumers this is a reasonable default. Broadly speaking, the threat model most users are concerned with doesn't account for their government. The previous default is no encryption at rest, which doesn't protect from the most common threats, like theft or tampering. With BitLocker on, a new risk for users is created: loss of access t…

I'll always remember - when I was first learning about it, one of the interesting counter-arguments to ignoring privacy was "what if the Nazis come back, would you want them to have your data?". I suppose there's some debate these days, but hostile governments seem a lot closer than they were 10-15 years ago. Will this make people care? Probably not, but you never know.

"Closer"? They're already here. Trusting corporations or governments is inherently moronic.

Re: Microsoft gave FBI set of BitLocker encryption keys to unlock suspects' laptops

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> make sure not to sign into your Microsoft account or link it to Windows again That's not so easy. Microsoft tries really hard to get you to use a Microsoft account. For example, logging into MS Teams will automatically link your local account with the Microsoft account, thus starting the automatic upload of all kinds of stuff unrelated to MS Teams. In the past I also had Edge importing Firefox data (including store…

> logging into MS Teams I mean, this is one application nobody should ever log into!

That's nice.

I, however, like getting my paycheck, and so I have no choice.

Re: Microsoft gave FBI set of BitLocker encryption keys to unlock suspects' laptops

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FYI BitLocker is on by default in Windows 11. The defaults will also upload the BitLocker key to a Microsoft Account if available. This is why the FBI can compel Microsoft to provide the keys. It's possible, perhaps even likely, that the suspect didn't even know they had an encrypted laptop. Journalists love the "Microsoft gave " framing because it makes Microsoft sound like they're handing these out because they lik…

user notification is another major litmus test.

Re: Microsoft gave FBI set of BitLocker encryption keys to unlock suspects' laptops

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't forcing you to divulge your encryption password compelled speech? So the police can crack my phone but they can't force me to tell them my PIN.

In the UK they can jail you just for not providing an encryption key

RIPA 2000 part III section 49

Re: Microsoft gave FBI set of BitLocker encryption keys to unlock suspects' laptops

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Wait I'm sorry do you build linux from source and review all code changes?

You missed the important part: > For this threat model We're talking about a hypothetical scenario where a state actor getting the information encrypted by the E2E encryption puts your life or freedom in danger. If that's you, yes, you absolutely shouldn't trust US corporations, and you should absolutely be auditing the source code. I seriously doubt that's you though, and it's certainly not me. The sub-title from th…

Okay, so yes I grant your point that people where governments are the threat model should be auditing source code.

I also grant that many things are possible (where the journalist says "isn't possible").

However, what remains true is that Microsoft appears to store this data in a manner that can be retrieved through "simple" warrants and legal processes, compared to Apple where these encryption keys are stored in a manner that would require code changes to accomplish.

These are fundamentally different in a legal framework and while it doesn't make Apple the most perfect amazing company ever, it shames Microsoft for not putting in the technical work to accomplish these basic barriers to retrieving data.

Re: Microsoft gave FBI set of BitLocker encryption keys to unlock suspects' laptops

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Power users should stop bothering with Windows nonsense and install Linux instead so that they can actually have control over their system. It's 2026. The abuses of corporations are well documented. Anyone who still chooses Windows of their own volition is quite literally asking for it and they deserve everything that happens to them.

I’ll bite. What Linux distro currently has the nicest desktop experience? I work on a MacBook but my desktop is a windows PC that I use for gaming and personal projects. I hear Proton has made the former pretty good now, and the latter is mostly in WSL for me anyway. Maybe a good time to try. What do you suggest? I’ll try it in a VM or live usb.

For gaming I suggest a Steam Deck. I love mine, it's an awesome Linux device. Not locked down either.

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> logging into MS Teams I mean, this is one application nobody should ever log into!

That's nice. I, however, like getting my paycheck, and so I have no choice.

Of course. But I suppose you run Teams on a company provided/managed, or at least paid for by the company, device?

Just don’t use that machine for anything private.

Is anyone using their private devices for work? (Also there is teams for Linux and on the web, if that is not prevented by the policy of your org.)

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