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SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Post by skilning »

nikdoof wrote: post #217
hamburglar wrote: post #206

As an uninformed observer, here is a possible sequence of events that sounds somewhat plausible based on what we know so far: * sparkfun employee engages in some shitty behavior (maybe harassment, maybe photoshops) toward adafruit CEO * adafruit engages sparkfun to ask them to put a stop to it * employee leaves sparkfun * employee continues shitty behavior * adafruit continues to bug sparkfun about behavior * sparkfu…

Honestly, if I received an email like this from the MD of a customer, I'd probably want to wash my hands of them as well https://gist.github.com/NPoole/df0ec196ac1db7e6eecfd2496b9b4...

Can't help but read that and think, "And Nick thinks this email chain makes HIM look like the reasonable person?"

Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Post by iancmceachern »

torginus wrote: post #100
skybrian wrote: post #45

I don’t know what’s going on, but I checked what Teensy is up to these days and it seems that last March they decided to outsource manufacturing and direct sales to SparkFun: https://forum.pjrc.com/index.php?threads/sparkfun-to-manufac...

Drama aside, why would someone prefer Adafruit or Sparkfun products over much cheaper whitelabel alternatives from China? A lot of those come with very good support and communities as well.

Product support, documentation, comparability, and community support/forums

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Post by mrgoldenbrown »

MaKey wrote: post #185
seanhunter wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Overall I wish we lived in a world where they are not needed. But in every community, some people are assholes so they are often needed.

Communities were doing just fine without a CoC up until they became a trend. People got banned too but the moderators couldn't hide behind a CoC to justify questionable decisions.

Communities were not doing fine. CoC didn't come out of nowhere because someone was bored. Having a CoC doesn't absolve moderators any more than having laws absolves judges from having to make good rulings.

Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Post by itintheory »

qingcharles wrote: post #240
beambot wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems to be the inevitable trend... Just in recent times: Pebble drama, Arduino joining the dark side, now Sparkfun & Adafruit. End of an era

What's the drama with Pebble? I thought everything was rosy since the reboot?

There was conflict between the new (old) hardware manufacturer Core Devices, and the Rebble community that's maintained the app store and software for the original Pebbles. I think they've worked it out, but it got ugly for a bit.

Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Post by allreduce »

MaKey wrote: post #215
chasd00 wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It just dawned on me that CoC docs are basically HR for open source. Point to a violation and voila, that person is gone. “Sorry, nothing personal, CoC violation, there’s nothing I can do”.

Exactly. Without a CoC the persons making hard decisions have to stand behind them. With a CoC they can hide behind the CoC and wash their hands in innocence. This lowers the barrier for making questionable decisions and overall decreases honesty. We've seen this with the suspension of Python core maintainer Tim Peters.

Honestly, this is the first argument against CoCs I've seen that I agree with. They do kinda act as a tool to deflect responsibility.

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Post by georgemcbay »

komali2 wrote: post #140
deng wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I hope my snarky joke wasn't too annoying Don't worry, he always writes like this.

I think it's a trend among tech founders, I've seen some on Twitter doing it, and then a bunch of hanger-ons copying the behavior.

I think it goes back a lot further than Twitter.

As someone who hung out on IRC way back in the 1990s (and internet-knew Limor from Adafruit back before her handle was Ladyada) I associate this writing style with the culture of a lot of the hacker-related IRC channels I used to hang out in back then.

Some of the same people from that era did in fact turn out to be tech founders and maybe that's how it got carried over into the Twitter-verse, but it predates that.

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Post by CamperBob2 »

komali2 wrote: post #140
deng wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I hope my snarky joke wasn't too annoying Don't worry, he always writes like this.

I think it's a trend among tech founders, I've seen some on Twitter doing it, and then a bunch of hanger-ons copying the behavior.

Explanation: https://calteches.library.caltech.edu/51/2/CargoCult.htm

Re: SparkFun Officially Dropping AdaFruit due to CoC Violation

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Post by rockskon »

serf wrote: post #57
ptorrone wrote: post #21

hi, phil here — post on adafruit here: https://blog.adafruit.com/2026/01/12/discontinuing-the-teens... i’ll stop back and answer anything (sparkfun will not?). sparkfun is the exclusive maker and distributor of the closed-source teensy and informed us we will not be able to purchase the teensy. this happened after i sent an email reporting the founder, nate, for multiple harassing actions directed at limor, including…

>so! instead of posting weirdo "code of conduct" letters.. one corporate side overshares by pointing fingers and accusing a different corporation... so that corporation decides to be the better person, declare the opponent as weirdos, then proceed to point fingers at individuals instead for collective action from the public. nice look, both groups.

Adafruit is in the wrong for not advocating for collective action from the public? I do not understand what exactly your argument is there.

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Post by suobset »

RobotToaster wrote: post #159
vegadw wrote: post #130

I'm still trying to put all the pieces together, but https://digipres.club/@discatte/115588660312186707 sure paints Adafruit as the bad party here, though I'm open to information which shows otherwise to understand better.

This adds some more context I guess https://chaos.social/@North/115605819126197877 Honestly the whole thing seems like everyone overreacting on both sides. Accusing someone is "doxing" because they used your first name?

The collections of threads, statements, and accusations on both sides are some of the most unhinged things I have seen in a while, and I don't think any of this helps anyone. :')
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