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Influencers and OnlyFans models are dominating U.S. O-1 visa requests

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I mean, this is purely for socially constructed morality reasons. In actuality, both require you to sell your body, and both can have long standing health effects. If anything, I would say the typical OF model sells their body much less than an athlete. I mean, I don't think they're going to tear their ACL. And also, both offer no real tangible value to humanity. Sports do not produce anything, neither does porn, the…

> A cashier at McDonalds is providing more absolute value to the world than even the most esteemed athlete. Do you actually believe this or are you just ragebaiting? > That's not to say that athletes are bad, entertainment and games are important. But you can't just say one form of mindless entertainment is more valuable than another form. Sport isn't mindless entertainment--that's just objectively false. The "dumb"…

I'm not a troll, we just disagree. Sports and games are mindless entertainment.

Yes, competition is important - but it doesn't produce anything. If I win a game, I haven't won anything other than the ability to say I've won the game. I didn't produce a good, I didn't cook food or blow glass.

Now, entertainment does create value around it. Taking attention can be used for advertising and admission. But the exact same thing is true of porn, and to the same if not greater extent.

I also don't buy the whole "discipline" angle. Yes, sports are hard and take practice. But you're making a morality argument. Just because something takes blood, sweat and tears doesn't mean it's good. Eating a couch takes discipline, too, just ask that one guy on My Strange Addiction.

The only reason, and I do mean only reason, we view porn as less valuable is because we think it's icky. That's it. But I don't particularly think that's a strong argument for anything.

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I'd have no issue marrying a porn star, but maybe I'm strange. But, regardless, we don't qualify immigrants but how marry-able they are.

Immigration policies are shaped around something that government wants more of. Skill, labor, etc. I don't see a world where of star qualifies for that.

It's certainly a very profitable industry, I don't see why they wouldn't want it. Outside of "eww icky" type reasoning, which as I've said, I don't think is important or worth humoring.

Everyone thinks rome will fall because of promiscuity. I just don't buy that weak morals, whatever that may mean, has a negative effect on society. Ultimately, these people do not hurt anyone and they push a lot of money into the economy.

It's just mindless entertainment. And, on the topic of skills: skills mean nothing. Being skilled is not enough, you have to be skilled at the right things.

Think of it this way: the skill of putting a ball through a hoop is one that is, objectively, worthless. There's no situation in modern life, or frankly even prehistoric life, where that skill would help you or create value.

It has value because we say so. We say "people want to watch this". If you take away the people watching, then the skill is beyond worthless. Worth less than even talking. Now, parallel this to porn, and you will see it's the same situation.

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You do aware of being best in sport and what I just said are hella two different things right? I wish my kids aware that *hell is other people*. Otherwise being a porn star or being a sport star makes not so much difference. Both can give you mental struggles and physical injuries. I think the another comment articulate it well too. Edit: And sure It's concerning that the society being shallow but OF and porn are jus…

Sports is not turning body into tradable good. Sports is hard work, discipline, drive, often starting as a kid.

players are frequently "bought" and "sold" based off of their physical attributes? It's literally turning your body into a tradable good.

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It's funny, early on it says > The O-1 category includes the O-1A, which is designated for individuals with extraordinary ability in the sciences, education, business or athletics and the O-1B, reserved for those with “extraordinary ability or achievement”. Then later it says > The O-1B visa, once reserved for Hollywood titans and superstar musicians, has evolved over the years. I understand those two aren't necessar…

I guess the question is why do virtual/internet stars need to be in the US? Actors or musicians would have primarily performed live or been recorded live, in US cities. But an OF model? Why does this person need to be physically located in the US at all? What is the benefit to the person, or to the US?

Because they want to

What the fuck?

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It's funny, early on it says > The O-1 category includes the O-1A, which is designated for individuals with extraordinary ability in the sciences, education, business or athletics and the O-1B, reserved for those with “extraordinary ability or achievement”. Then later it says > The O-1B visa, once reserved for Hollywood titans and superstar musicians, has evolved over the years. I understand those two aren't necessar…

I can think of maybe two musicians who might be said to fit in that tight intersection.

Brian May (guitarist from Queen) who has an astrophysics PhD from Imperial College London

Professor Brian Cox who teaches Physics at Manchester University and is a public face of science of tv here in the UK was keyboardist for one-hit-wonder band d-reem who had a hit in the 90s with “Things can only get better”.

Brian May is really the only one who is a superstar musician but Brian Cox is a more significant scientist.

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Because once you move to live in the US (or any other country) then you become tax liable there and every gov wants more net taxpayers.

Yeah this is the reason. People who earn a lot of money pay taxes and aren't a burden on any social services. More, please.

> aren't a burden on any social services

Until they retire and need end of life Medicare which is very expensive.

That's why some countries like Dubai have devised a work visa system that lets people work for decades but never lets them become citizens so Dubai can kick out the moment they stop working, before they need end of life care.

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It's funny, early on it says > The O-1 category includes the O-1A, which is designated for individuals with extraordinary ability in the sciences, education, business or athletics and the O-1B, reserved for those with “extraordinary ability or achievement”. Then later it says > The O-1B visa, once reserved for Hollywood titans and superstar musicians, has evolved over the years. I understand those two aren't necessar…

I am not a lawyer. But OF models using O1 visa is totally fine. It is the intended purpose. The visa itself is meant for researchers, scholars who have job offers, athletes, actors etc. it has no cap and clear criteria. OF models who make a lot of money should totally qualify for this. Also this visa in uncapped so giving visas to OF models does not take away anything from scientists and others. O visa's original int…

OF models make money until a certain age though. Sure, not too different to the current job market you could argue, but usually any "influencer" career today is quite short lived if you haven't a very specific niche.

In my country prostitution is legal, but I think some countries are very hypocritical here about OF.

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At what point do we ever ask ourselves -- "what kind of culture do we want to create for the future of our country?" I don't think a pro soccer player is comparable to an onlyfans contributor. I would much prefer my future kids to be inspired by Cristiano Ronaldo than someone baring themselves on camera.

Yet CR7 is routinely photographed baring himself on camera, which is one of the reasons he's so popular.

Alongside delivering in performance, and being a role model in pushing oneself to the limit in regards to training.

Photos don't win matches.

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I am not a lawyer. But OF models using O1 visa is totally fine. It is the intended purpose. The visa itself is meant for researchers, scholars who have job offers, athletes, actors etc. it has no cap and clear criteria. OF models who make a lot of money should totally qualify for this. Also this visa in uncapped so giving visas to OF models does not take away anything from scientists and others. O visa's original int…

OF models make money until a certain age though. Sure, not too different to the current job market you could argue, but usually any "influencer" career today is quite short lived if you haven't a very specific niche. In my country prostitution is legal, but I think some countries are very hypocritical here about OF.

Is the influencer career being short lived any different from an athlete

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Yet CR7 is routinely photographed baring himself on camera, which is one of the reasons he's so popular.

Alongside delivering in performance, and being a role model in pushing oneself to the limit in regards to training. Photos don't win matches.

I am not an expert, but I would guess there is a lot of "pushing oneself to the limit" on OF...
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