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The chess bot on Delta Air Lines will destroy you (2024) [video]

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Re: The chess bot on Delta Air Lines will destroy you (2024) [video]

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Post by Ajedi32 »

kaffekaka wrote: post #287
Ajedi32 wrote: post #282

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does leg length matter? Reclining doesn't impact leg room much since only the upper part of the seat is moving backwards any significant distance, and the space under the seat where my feet go is completely unaffected. Are your legs so long you have to sit with your knees pressed against the back of the seat in front of you or something? If so I suppose that's understandable.

Yes, my knees often/always bump into the seat in front of me, even without it being reclined. If/when it is reclined it means my knees are pressed harder backwards. When I can, I pay for extra leg room or get an aisle seat. My opinion is strongly that seats should not be reclined. It is inconsiderate.

I agree that sounds frustrating. Respectfully though, it sounds like you're a special case and that's not a problem which would apply to most people.

But maybe in the future I'll make a point of checking whether the person behind me is in the 95th percentile of adult male heights before reclining.

Re: The chess bot on Delta Air Lines will destroy you (2024) [video]

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Post by dylan604 »

owenversteeg wrote: post #163

In short: it plays far too well (~2500 ELO.) People think it originally played at a reasonable level and accidentally got more powerful as the seatback computers got more powerful; the same thing happened to the Mac chess app with the release of the M1.

we used to stress test Macs by running the Chess app full tilt. Does it even make the fans run on AppleSi?

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Post by Delphiki »

ahtihn wrote: post #263
close04 wrote: post #225

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> Flights from sfo to Frankfurt bolt upright sound unpleasant Same flight with someone's seat resting on your knees is downright painful. > when my wife was pregnant Imagine if she was a bit taller and someone reclined the seat all the way over her. > The recline button is there for your use You're right, like any shared resource, "space" is there for you to use. It doesn't mean you have to use it, you could try to b…

I'm 185cm and I couldn't imagine having to endure a long haul flight without reclining. I never get these discussions. It's only ever online that I see complaints. Almost everyone reclines on long flights. It's normal. It's expected. If it makes you uncomfortable that's a you problem, everyone else seems fine with it. If it makes you physically uncomfortable, pay for extra leg room. Don't make your problem the proble…

Anecdotal, but I'm 193cm, take a few 12+ hour flights per year, and have no problem not reclining. For what it's worth, I feel like I've experienced people on my shorter, domestic flights reclining their seats more often than on my longer, international flights.

Re: The chess bot on Delta Air Lines will destroy you (2024) [video]

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Post by dylan604 »

Ajedi32 wrote: post #289
dylan604 wrote: post #286

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Have you tried the exit row instead? Sure, you might have to agree to help others, but if you aren't willing to do that regardless of the row, then that just says a lot about you.

Many airlines don't let you choose your seat without paying extra. But yeah, maybe if you're that tall that's just an unfortunate extra cost you have to bear.

At some point you have to do the math. Is +$25 for the extra leg room worth it for a 3 hour flight? 6 hour flight?

I flew from DFW to Sydney on a flight that was not fully booked. They made an announcement for a $150 upgrade to have an entire row to yourself. Once in the air, all of the armrests could be raised to allow you to lay flat. $150/17hours ~= $9/hour for a comfortable-ish sleep on a long haul flight. That's better math than the app subscription model threads have.

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Post by kstrauser »

nerdawson wrote: post #285
kstrauser wrote: post #276

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Oh, it’s definitely their fault. They brought this about to cram extra seats on a flight, customers be damned. No doubt about it, they’re certainly the root cause. But when you find yourself in an uncomfortable group situation, it’s good to ask how you can make it better for everyone, or at least not worsen it. “I paid so I’m doing whatever it takes to not inconvenience myself in the slightest” is the origin of “this…

> It’s different when there’s a compelling physical need here. If the person in front of me has a hurt back and can’t bear sitting upright, and I knew about it, I’d put up with it as best I can in the interest of we’ve all got to get along. But in the scheme of things, not that many people are unable to sit up and not crush their neighbors. How would you know whether or not the person in front of you has a compelling…

Fair point! So when I scream in their ear for causing me pain, your contention is that I’m free to do that and I don’t owe them an explanation. I’m sure that logic will make everyone around us smile and nod their heads in approval.

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Post by BeetleB »

crystal_revenge wrote: post #130
OlympusMonds wrote: post #114

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Surely you should blame the airlines, rather than the individuals. They cram more people on, giving you less space - but charge the same - and you get mad at other customers, rather than them for cramming you in.

I pointed out exactly the opposite: surely moral action is only possible when one has agency. If an airline needs to force you to be a decent person, then you have no right to claim decency in the first place. People who lean their seats back are assholes. Claiming “but this is permitted!” proves my point. I can’t imagine what a nightmare world it would be if decency were only possible through the exercise of externa…

> People who lean their seats back are assholes.

Clearly, many HN users, as well as much of the population, disagree with you.

You may want to re-evaluate your moral values.

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Post by 83 »

Ajedi32 wrote: post #282
kaffekaka wrote: post #280

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6ft plus too, I agree with GP, definitely a problem for me when the seat in front reclines. My legs are proportionately longer than my upper body which increases the negative effect.

Why does leg length matter? Reclining doesn't impact leg room much since only the upper part of the seat is moving backwards any significant distance, and the space under the seat where my feet go is completely unaffected. Are your legs so long you have to sit with your knees pressed against the back of the seat in front of you or something? If so I suppose that's understandable.

My legs are long enough there isn't room for them to press against the back of the seat. I'm either manspreading into the crevases between seats or in foetal position with my knees halfway up the seat in front of me. A person reclining is excruciating in the former, but in the latter position at least the person in front can't recline as there's no physical space for my body to become more compact. Flying is hell.

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Post by BeetleB »

OlympusMonds wrote: post #114
crystal_revenge wrote: post #113

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> when the person in front of me reclines their seat. As a reasonably tall person I have never reclined my seat and will forever consider anyone who does an asshole. The very fact that you can but don’t do something is the precise space where assholeness is defined.

Surely you should blame the airlines, rather than the individuals. They cram more people on, giving you less space - but charge the same - and you get mad at other customers, rather than them for cramming you in.

> They cram more people on, giving you less space - but charge the same - and you get mad at other customers, rather than them for cramming you in.

Airline fares are very cheap. Just the other day they compared the cost of flying from London to Calcutta decades ago vs now - much cheaper now. You'll see the same when you compare domestic flights.

Yes, it's true that you had more leg room back then. Now you have the option to pay the same high fares and get similar leg room, or be cheap and get less leg room.

Classic example of "more choice leads to more dissatisfaction".

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Post by royskee »

Ajedi32 wrote: post #282
kaffekaka wrote: post #280

Earlier quoted context omitted.

6ft plus too, I agree with GP, definitely a problem for me when the seat in front reclines. My legs are proportionately longer than my upper body which increases the negative effect.

Why does leg length matter? Reclining doesn't impact leg room much since only the upper part of the seat is moving backwards any significant distance, and the space under the seat where my feet go is completely unaffected. Are your legs so long you have to sit with your knees pressed against the back of the seat in front of you or something? If so I suppose that's understandable.

"Are your legs so long you have to sit with your knees pressed against the back of the seat in front of you or something? If so I suppose that's understandable."

Yes and also for people with long legs, seated in a typical airline seat, their knees will be significantly higher than the top of the seat cushion. So, they get caught up in the sweep of a reclining seatback ahead.

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Post by buran77 »

CalRobert wrote: post #226
close04 wrote: post #225

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> Flights from sfo to Frankfurt bolt upright sound unpleasant Same flight with someone's seat resting on your knees is downright painful. > when my wife was pregnant Imagine if she was a bit taller and someone reclined the seat all the way over her. > The recline button is there for your use You're right, like any shared resource, "space" is there for you to use. It doesn't mean you have to use it, you could try to b…

So why is the recline button there?

I still see ashtrays on older plans, trains, and boats. Sometimes older stuff is left there because it's not financially advantageous to replace it. You can use the recline button to your liking, but it can be inconsiderate to do it. Traveler discretion is advised.

A question you can always ask yourself is "should I do it just because I can do it?". It will stop you from being needlessly inconsiderate many times, and maybe even make you a better person.

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