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Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by phonon »

dmitrygr wrote: post #279
spwa4 wrote: post #255

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I have a derive.exe from 1996 that I still use. TI's calculator, as an incredibly fast windows app that's like 20% of wolframalpha. And to think on all "modern" OSes you can't even do that. Neither Android nor IOS let you do this in any way shape or form. Even with portable webapps it doesn't work, as webapps go offline. And microsoft clearly wants to create this situation too (last brute force attempt was windows ho…

https://dmitry.gr/89 you can also "add to homescreen" on iOS/android and it acts like a native app & works offline. symbolic math - computer algebra system, integration/differentiation, finance app in rom, 3d graphs. (emu is not my work, i only packaged it for PWA and host it for myself to use, but you are welcome to as well)

Derive is more sophisticated. TI-89/92/Nspire is close though.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by davkan »

Loughla wrote: post #58
badc0ffee wrote: post #33

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We updated my MIL's computer to Windows 11 and now it's giving her ads about Xbox something or other on the login screen. She is in her 80s and has no idea what an Xbox even is.

Ads on the login screen, ads on my fucking start menu. No intuitive way to access all programs. . . Sorry. Apps from the start menu. Suggested apps instead of that. Hold screens to set a backup using one drive and to link my phone and set telemetry and whatever other bullshit once a week. It's not great. Linux mint is what I install for older relatives now. It's close enough to windows feeling that they never even qu…

Non power users just want a desktop with a browser shortcut, and maybe office apps. I extended the life of a laptop many years for my aging non technical parents. I even encrypted the hard drive for them and since Microsoft basically committed security malpractice by not making encryption available to Home edition users it was significantly more secure. After a 5 minute explainer they never once asked me a single question about it.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by dmitrygr »

phonon wrote: post #291
dmitrygr wrote: post #279

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https://dmitry.gr/89 you can also "add to homescreen" on iOS/android and it acts like a native app & works offline. symbolic math - computer algebra system, integration/differentiation, finance app in rom, 3d graphs. (emu is not my work, i only packaged it for PWA and host it for myself to use, but you are welcome to as well)

Derive is more sophisticated. TI-89/92/Nspire is close though.

Derive doesn’t run on my iPhone sadly

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by lossyalgo »

rleigh wrote: post #205
ncpa-cpl wrote: post #120

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And Calc! It takes about 5 seconds to load. And search is so unreliable mixing web and local results.

If it loads at all. The last two days, the start menu refuses to launch it when you click on it. The lack of quality in Windows is simply astonishing. And the new start menu and taskbar are terrible. Quite how a company can transform a product into such a mess in just a few years is incredible.

I love when it takes 3 minutes to open "Add or Remove Programs" because the Start menu search decides that typing a, ad, add, r, re, remove, unin, install, etc. definitely means "let me Bing that for you" instead of opening the one thing I clearly want.

It obviously knows what I'm trying to do (Bing search recommendation is for "Add or Remove Programs"), yet refuses to surface the actual shortcut to that settings page (or "app", or whatever Microsoft calls it this week). Even better: some days it pops up immediately after typing "Add" and other days I'm wrestling with it like I'm training a stubborn animal, clicking the result in the hope that the OS will "learn" that yes, this is what I want when I type "Add".

Most of the time I just give up and dig through the Settings menu like it's 1999.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by [deleted] »

nilamo wrote: post #20
richard_chase wrote: post #14

I switched to Linux after Windows started showing me propaganda on the screen where you enter your password. To me, that's diabolical and forced me to make the switch. Sorry, I don't wish to "Learn more about Black-Owned Businesses" just to access my computer.

I, too, am irrationally furious at microsoft for forcing me to look at nature scapes and offering a link to learn more if I wanted.

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Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by lossyalgo »

zaruvi wrote: post #267
hshdhdhj4444 wrote: post #176

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Apparently this is not entirely true. It’s just a section of the start menu that’s based on React/React Native.

Regardless, at least a few of my colleagues using Windows have reported issues with the new start menu. It seems very slow, and sometimes you have to close & reopen it for content to appear.

Searching for things via the Start menu is also totally hit or miss, on 5 different PCs that I regularly use, especially trying to open "Add or Remove Programs" (as described in an earlier comment).

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by lossyalgo »

schmuckonwheels wrote: post #117
steve1977 wrote: post #101

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macOS has Cocoa since 2000, which is still useable, and SwiftUI since a few years. No comparison to the mess of UI toolkits on Windows.

And what about Carbon? Gone. 32-bit apps? Gone. PowerPC stuff? Anything more than a few years old? Forget it. You can't even run versions of iPhoto or iTunes after they deliberately broke them and replaced them with objectively shittier equivalents. Their own apps! Windows can still run programs from the 90s unmodified. There are VB6 apps from 1998 talking to Access databases still running small businesses today. Can…

Even WinAmp 2.0 from 1998 still runs on Windows 11.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by lossyalgo »

hulitu wrote: post #272
schmuckonwheels wrote: post #117

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And what about Carbon? Gone. 32-bit apps? Gone. PowerPC stuff? Anything more than a few years old? Forget it. You can't even run versions of iPhoto or iTunes after they deliberately broke them and replaced them with objectively shittier equivalents. Their own apps! Windows can still run programs from the 90s unmodified. There are VB6 apps from 1998 talking to Access databases still running small businesses today. Can…

> Windows can still run programs from the 90s unmodified. Did _you_ tried ? Because i hear this mantra a lot on HN, but my experience is different. MDK ( the game) cannot _run_ on a current Windows.

I use WinAmp 2.0 sometimes which was released in 1996. I prefer to use v5 but I like to show friends that such old software still works fine (even Shoutcast streaming works fine).

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by dawnerd »

skrebbel wrote: post #197
Flux159 wrote: post #15

"What Andy giveth, Bill taketh away" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_and_Bill%27s_law On a more serious note, I really only use Windows for games & I'm still always frustrated with how many updates (& restarts during updates) Windows needs. My fans are always constantly spinning on Windows too (laptop or desktop) whereas my Mac & Linux machines are generally silent outside of heavy load.

This is common for any self-updating software that you use infrequently. A friend of mine complained that he hated how Firefox "always" wants to restart with an update. I couldn't understand what he was on about. Turned out I use Firefox daily and he uses it like once every 2 months to test something and yeah, Firefox has an update out every 2 months or so, so that fits. It's the same with Windows (and, I assume, mac…

My Mac doesn’t randomly reboot, doesn’t force updates on shutdown, doesn’t have weekly updates that require updates. IMO Apple handles updates much better than Windows.

Windows still reboots instead of shut down when you do update and shut down.

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