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Re: The Post-American Internet

#291

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> My POV is Americans are not an ally in any case So you are an enemy of someone because of where they were born?

I don't have any enmity against poisonous snakes.

Rightfully so, poisonous snakes won't hurt you unless you eat them.

Re: The Post-American Internet

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post #52

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The companies would choose to operate in the EU if they could. The US government is throwing its weight around, appeares to be preparing to illegally annex bits of non-EU land in an EU member state, to sow propaganda to fracture the EU itself, and has already sanctioned EU judges for doing their jobs when their job is against US interests. Non-zero chance they will not have any choice in this. Gut feeling says we're…

>has already sanctioned EU judges for doing their jobs when their job is against US interests. Wow, this is scary. I assume EU would never punish US companies for doing their jobs when their job is against EU interests?

Why are you comparing US companies to EU judges? To me it seems like private business in the US is much more involved in the legislative than the judicative branch.

Re: The Post-American Internet

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post #209

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> My POV is Americans are not an ally in any case So you are an enemy of someone because of where they were born?

no it means u_sama has (correctly, IMO) observed that the US has made it very clear in the past year that they don't regard the EU as an ally. I mean the openly talk about annexing EU territory right now .

Which EU territory would that be? If you're referring to Greenland, it's actually not part of the EU.

Re: The Post-American Internet

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European countries are de facto vassals of the US. Not because they have to be, not because it benefits them, but because this is what the politicians and their voters want. Instead of taking care of Ukraine themselves, and providing security guarantees to Ukraine themselves, they expect the US to do it. Instead of supplying Ukraine itself, they need the US to do it. And all of this against an opponent, Russia, that…

US hasn't provided anything, except some intel, the last year. Maybe you should get up to speed with reality.

US provides credible deterrence because the US can more or less take on all NATO adversaries at the same time, while Europe alone cannot really take on even one NATO adversary on its own. US also shown willingness to use forc, which European nations have not shown it.

In negotiations with Ukraine, one of the major sticking points is that Ukraine wants security guarantees and peacekeeping forces on the ground, and European nations have themselves said this won't work without a US backstop, which US is not going to provide.

https://www.npr.org/2025/03/21/nx-s1-5336095/europe-military...

> Russia has said it will not accept any troops from NATO countries being based on Ukrainian soil. And Trump has given no sign the U.S. will guarantee reserve firepower in case of any breaches of a truce. Starmer says the plan won't work without that U.S. "backstop."

If US hasn't provided anything, and Europe is willing to stand on its own, then this would not be the case, there would be no need for a US backstop.

Basically, my theory is this: If Europe didn't need the US, then the US would not have to be involved at all with Ukraine negotiations, and the war would have been stopped years ago. Instead, we have European nations lamenting that the US is not doing more, and that US is not willing to provide security assistence and guaruntees to Ukraine.

I think it should be irrelevant what the US wants to do or does not want to do with Ukraine.

Re: The Post-American Internet

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post #246

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If my choice is an American company which does tracking, and a European company which does tracking, then I as European prefer the European one. Because they can be held accountable in a court of law. In Russia or China, that isn't the case. And it doesn't seem like it remains the case in USA. SCOTUS, for example, has been a political instrument for a long, long time.

As an European I'd be rather tracked by an American (out Chinese, Russian, ...) company than by an EU or European regimes. Those companies are less likely to imprison or censor me than the regime who rules over Europe.

European citizens under US sanctions are being erased economically and socially within the EU. This is not to mention the systemic dismantling of the ICC at an individual level. The US has sanctioned six ICC judges this year, along with the court’s chief prosecutor and two deputy prosecutors.

Prior to Trump, most of the ~15,000 individuals on the US sanctions list were members of Al-Qaeda, ISIS, the Mafia, or warlords and despot leaders of authoritarian regimes.

The state department justification relates either to their roles in the Afghanistan investigation or them facilitating the arrest warrants for Netanyahu and Yoav Gallant for crimes against humanity. As a result they now can't book a hotel, use credit cards or access everyday services. As Nicolas Guillou says 'You are effectively blacklisted by much of the world's banking system'

As the Le Monde article concludes, while it is the prerogative of the US government to exercise sovereignty on its own territory, it is unacceptable, however, that European citizens – some of them above any suspicion in the eyes of their own authorities – lose everything at home due to excessive caution on the part of European companies in relation to spiteful US foreign policy.

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/opinion/article/2025/07/26/europea...

https://www.irishtimes.com/world/us/2025/12/12/its-surreal-u...

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2025/11/19/n...

Re: The Post-American Internet

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post #209

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no it means u_sama has (correctly, IMO) observed that the US has made it very clear in the past year that they don't regard the EU as an ally. I mean the openly talk about annexing EU territory right now .

Which EU territory would that be? If you're referring to Greenland, it's actually not part of the EU.

Why not taking two seconds to look it up before making such a false statement? From Wikipedia:

> Citizens of Greenland are full citizens of Denmark and of the European Union. Greenland is one of the Overseas Countries and Territories of the European Union and is part of the Council of Europe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland

Re: The Post-American Internet

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> That's why they're so fucking horny to have chatbots shit out software at superhuman speeds. That's why they think it's good that they've got a chatbot that "produces a thousand times more code than a human programmer."

Then when you think with some certain people saying yeah use A.I to write your code .... we will become forever renters. if you can't write code by hand & have to depend on A.I what happens when the providers raise prices ? same thing with cloud computing ?

a certain crowd - SF people - VCs etc want people to be technoserfs

Re: The Post-American Internet

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> it's very important that no residents of South Dublin should be inconvenienced What's that supposed to mean?

So if you look at money, education etc basically the south of Dublin is incredibly rich relative to the rest of the country. It tends to be where much of the media and business interests of the country are focused, and you never see (for example) a Traveller halting site, or an immigration centre being set up there. Whereas, if you look at a place like Tallaght (which to be fair is also south dublin) you'll see worse…

Well, those are common talking points in some quarters, but I can tell you they're false, because I live in a southside suburb, the kind of place that journalists describe as "leafy". For the last couple of years, a large immigration centre has been operating a kilometer and a half away from my house. (You haven't heard of it because there were no protests about it.) There's a halting site located a kilometer away from me in the other direction.

Is the system perfect? No, of course not. But the Us vs Them polemics are unfair.

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