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All AI Videos Are Harmful (2025)

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Re: All AI Videos Are Harmful (2025)

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Post by tjr »

wincy wrote: post #137
pelotron wrote: post #21

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I was involved in a conversation about cheating in video games the other day, and the topic shifted to AI use in music. Someone said, "using AI is like using an aimbot for music." I absolutely love that comparison since it highlights the shortcut past creativity/skill to get a computerized best result while also associating it with blatant cheating. The "enables creativity" argument is ironic since the root of the wo…

I made my wife a song about how we met using Suno. It took me about 4 hours to get the lyrics just right, rewriting them (without AI help, it’s terrible with lyrics), plugging them in, seeing how they sounded, fixing them some more to get the verse so it sounded right. She thought it was really special and she cried as we listened to it while holding hands in the car. I can’t play guitar, and I can’t hit some notes w…

As a semi-professional musician, sounds fair to me.

You wrote the lyrics. There are professional songwriters with many hit songs who only write lyrics. Some can't even play an instrument, much less compose music. So what do they do? They work with a music composer. They hire a music arranger. They hire a band.

So in this case, you still did the foundational songwriting part yourself, but instead of hiring humans to help you finish it, you hired AI.

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Post by lotsofpulp »

shinycode wrote: post #261
lotsofpulp wrote: post #178

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One person using more software to "make" music does not remove the process or devalue music for another person who wants to use less software to make music. Replace music with anything in this reasoning.

Actually with AI the music is made for you. I don’t have to learn how to play the piano the guitar or anything. I just prompt what kind of instrument I want to. Is that still « making music » ? Idk, for me it’s not the same. In the end I’m not a musician. I just enjoy music. But I can understand that the reality of some people is different from mine as regards to what is « making music ». My view or use of AI does no…

> My view or use of AI does not invalidates theirs.

This reads like you agree with my sentiment.

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Post by solomonb »

coldtea wrote: post #290
solomonb wrote: post #284

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Did you really interpret my statement as "AI content producers are being so creative and then quitting posting"? I'm not talking about people posting good content and then stopping posting. I guess its fair to say that "become repetitive" was unclear, what I should have said was "reveals itself to be repetitive." I'm saying that these AI generated world building channels produce lots of content that looks creative an…

The parent's argument regains relevance if we change "stopped posting" to "stopped posting good stuff and started posting repeatitive shit" though. Human youtube channels do that all the time.

Both are responses to a miss-interpretation of my original comment (which I will grant is at least in part my fault).

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Post by epolanski »

soiltype wrote: post #198
epolanski wrote: post #132

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DJs are rated on their ability to read the dancefloor and get people to dance.

Yes, well, that sounds exactly like the skillset of a meme creator in a slightly different form factor. Most arguments against gen-AI are bad arguments - you can (and should) admit this even if you (like me) don't respect gen-AI.

I haven't stated anything about meme creators using AI, I just pointed out a DJ's skill isn't based on randomly playing songs.

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Post by shinycode »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #292
shinycode wrote: post #261

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Actually with AI the music is made for you. I don’t have to learn how to play the piano the guitar or anything. I just prompt what kind of instrument I want to. Is that still « making music » ? Idk, for me it’s not the same. In the end I’m not a musician. I just enjoy music. But I can understand that the reality of some people is different from mine as regards to what is « making music ». My view or use of AI does no…

> My view or use of AI does not invalidates theirs. This reads like you agree with my sentiment.

Absolutely and I hope you understand my point as well. Actually I’ve never been able to learn an instrument and I always wanted to make music. I’m all in to make music without having to learn anything complicated. Other people might not have the same definition of mine or like what I could produce without their craft.

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Post by jajuuka »

empath75 wrote: post #224
jajuuka wrote: post #79

The author has a myopic view on Gen AI videos. They only focus on the most extreme examples and then hand wave cat videos as some crisis about reality. We had these exact same alarmists with previous technologies. Human's have an uncanny ability to adapt as their environment changes. Photoshop and 3D didn't destroy our brains and neither will this. Misinformation and the such have never needed AI to be effective. Tho…

I think long term the primary use case for AI generated video is people creating AI generated video for themselves to watch as consumers, rather than passing off AI generated work as their own. I would not mind if I could go to ChatGPT and say: "Make me a 15 minute video about the history of gold mining in the Byzantine Empire", and it makes a mediocre soulless video I can half pay attention to while working. If I se…

I agree that it feels like a bait and switch on YouTube. I expect to see user made videos there. Regardless of how much effort was put into it. I think a policy where these AI videos could be flagged as such would help a ton. Would not be an easy task though for sure.

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Post by drakythe »

coldtea wrote: post #289
drakythe wrote: post #124

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Years and years ago I became friends with someone who has started a series of companies and created at least one game with each of them (Web, mobile, mobile, crypto, web again). While watching him I learned the lesson that being an "idea guy" is worthless. It is all about execution. His ideas are great, in my opinion, though perhaps not unique. However, each success or failure, has come down to the execution. A coupl…

> While watching him I learned the lesson that being an "idea guy" is worthless. It is all about execution. It's even trickier: execution is irrelevant too (if that means great execution, a polished well executed product). What matters is a works-well-enough for adoption product, plus luck, connections, funding (to continue existing and undercutting), marketing, and things like that.

This is all true. It is amazing to me how many people don't want to acknowledge how much luck or connections play in the success of large brand names.

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Post by cruffle_duffle »

solomonb wrote: post #284
yorwba wrote: post #259

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>> they all seem really creative initially but rapidly lose their luster and become repetitive.

Did you really interpret my statement as "AI content producers are being so creative and then quitting posting"? I'm not talking about people posting good content and then stopping posting. I guess its fair to say that "become repetitive" was unclear, what I should have said was "reveals itself to be repetitive." I'm saying that these AI generated world building channels produce lots of content that looks creative an…

But your argument could be made against anything novel. You love the first 3 seasons of Chopped or Hell’s Kitchen but eventually you figure out the repetitive story arc, you know how each show will unfold halfway through, same kinds on conflict, etc… the show either becomes background while folding clothes or you stop watching entirely. The novelty wears off-for better or worse.

I mean look at house hunters international. Every segment is the sssme. “I need an extra room for overseas family, I want to live by the beach, I need a roof deck but I teach ESL to blind monks and children. My budget is $400”. And then they’ll have some silly hang up about the reliability of elevators in general or maybe they absolutely can’t get over the east facing window. It’s 100% formulatic yet perfect as background.

I dunno where I’m going with this but those AI videos you say you liked… the novelty wore off.

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Post by YurgenJurgensen »

pembrook wrote: post #193
YurgenJurgensen wrote: post #134

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Oh boy, it’s this again. You’re essentially admitting to having had no meaningful experiences in your entire life, as you’re incapable of imagining doing anything other than consuming content. Good art says something about the world, not other art.

How ironic that your response, "Good art says something about the world" is also just repeating a meme you've heard, a no-true-scotsman fallacy wrapped in an old cliche. It's a meaningless, religious statement. Good art is impossible to define, and everything says something about the world. I too can repeat tired memes to support my position, ie. Good artists copy, great artists steal. The truth is, the process of cr…

Well, your claim was 99%, and you’re making the claim so the burden of proof is on you, so you first: Give me ninety-nine examples that support your position and explain why for each of them, and then I’ll give my one and do the same and we can see who has the stronger body of evidence.

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Post by rcbdev »

uoaei wrote: post #229
rcbdev wrote: post #209

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Grand Theft Auto V launched with auto-aim ('aimbot') as default in 2013. It is one of the most successful games in history, bringing joy to many people. Are you arguing that's not a real game because of this?

Yours is a bad faith argument based on an overly narrow pedantic acontextual definitional gripe. Not worth engaging.

You say this, and yet you did. Not by actually explaining why you think my argument is bad mind you, but instead by just throwing big words around.

Bravo.

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