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2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by byte_0 »

ksynwa wrote: post #142

For me the strange and unproductive direction Windows is going towards in encapsulated in the right-click menu in the file manager (Explorer). 11 has a shiny new menu that shows up when you right click. But it is a new coat of paint over the ones from 10 or before. Additional options from for example 7zip don't show up in it. You have to click "more options" at the bottom which them reveals the old menu. There is no…

Exactly. This is the best example of what Windows 11 is. I have the feeling that Microsoft is trying to bring change at the same time that it cannot, and has to come up with workarounds like this one. This would explain the Settings panel like someone mentioned in this thread. Another thing that I dislike (with all due respect to developers of React) is this migration to React and Reactish behavior of Windows. We have been fine with Win32 after so many years. Why change that, other than wanting to stay "relevant" or "modern"? Just my opinion.

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by yndoendo »

p_ing wrote: post #184
akimbostrawman wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>OS/2 already proved out this path of [full] compatibility. it is not the 1980s anymore. majority of apps are for better or worse in the browser or cross platform with electron. Wine is merely a stepping stone for adoption because some software compatibility is a hard requirement for user to even considered another platform as an alternative, without these user there won't be any native development to begin with prov…

As a developer, why target Linux in all it's permutations with an unstable ABI when I can target the only stable Linux ABI -- Win32? If WINE fills the gap (and it largely does), there's zero reason to create native Linux builds. That's simply more bugs and more headaches for devs.

Not all software is for consumers and a good amount runs a hardware as a whole product. 2026 will be the year moving from Windows IoT / embedded to Linux as the host OS for the solutions I work on.

Personally, I find software more stable when coding on Linux and making Windows changes after it is operational. Windows takes more work with edge cases than Linux, BDS, and macOS.

Windows treats STDIN and STOUT different between console and GUI. All other OSes that I have worked on threat them the same.

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by SirMaster »

jiggawatts wrote: post #258
SirMaster wrote: post #212

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Apps not showing up in the new menu is because the app has not updated to support the new menu. I am seeing third party apps in my Windows 11 right click menu such as WinMerge.

You mean like Microsoft's own apps? Like... all of them?

Someone wrote it like it's a Windows 11 issue though. But clearly it's a developer choice to support the new menu or not because some apps are clearly supporting it just fine.

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by ziml77 »

lostmsu wrote: post #276
coldtea wrote: post #262

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Yes, but those were bad by choice. Whereas the parent alluded to bugs just been piling gratuitously.

I didn't mean poor design, I meant literal bugs. Start menu search still fails to find things on my desktop, and done so since Win 11. Thank God for Everything.

And Start11 (which can integrate with Everything!)

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by amluto »

I think that quite a few large companies are currently entrenched in a way that is rather unfortunate for their customers: they are so hard to displace that it’s not longer important whether their product is good enough that the customers like it.

Microsoft: Windows is pretty bad lately (and is certainly not ahead of Linux when used as a desktop system in the way that it was, say, 20 years ago). But Microsoft barely cares whether anyone likes Windows because so many corporations are already thoroughly committed to Microsoft. If Microsoft were just starting out with its current product, it would be a hard sell. (Not just desktop — a lot of their serious enterprise stuff like AD is awful. But AD doesn’t need to be good any more — it just needs to be AD.)

Apple, too: their last few generations added very little benefit and a whole lot of bugs. Their hardware is no longer ahead of anyone else’s, and I don’t think their software really is either. But people have bought in to the ecosystem.

Android: Ditto, except there is barely even canonical hardware. Want apps but not iOS? You’re using Android.

Boeing: The 737 MAX seems to have been a commercial success more or less solely because quite a few buyers specifically wanted planes compatible with their existing 737 investments. Boeing doesn’t seem to be trying to make planes that buyers would choose if they were unconstrained.

The list goes on. Not that any of this is really new,

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by scrollop »

Fizz43 wrote: post #251
drnick1 wrote: post #160

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Not sure why people are downvoting this. LLMs have made Linux far more accessible than before.

I highly doubt this. As someone who is pretty active in a lot of beginner linux communities its becoming the case that a lot issues are caused by users following LLM instructions and creating issues where there were none. Example someone will want to configure something and the LLM will give them advice from the wrong distro thats 5 years out of date. If they asked a person or looked on the fourms they'd have got wha…

Don't doubt.

Tried Linux around 5 years ago - took many issues, had to learn various commands.

Tried again a few months ago and used various llms to configure everything well, troubleshoot etc

Eg when waking from standby and your mouse isn't working, do you want to troubleshoot and learn various commands over an hour or ask an llm and fix it within a few minutes?

When creating an on demand voice to text app for Linux do I learn various commands and dependencies etc that may take one/many days or use an llm to make it within 30 min?

No brainer

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by obdev »

sedatk wrote: post #207

I love Windows 11. I'm sure some of my code still lives in Windows 11 from my days at Microsoft. But, the hasty and haphazard ways that some teams at Microsoft treat it sadden me. I specifically despise Microsoft Accounts being forced down our throats because, among all other things, they make certain workflows impossible. For instance, you can't schedule tasks to run as your user when you're not logged in[1]. It won…

How many browser tabs you have open right now?

I find JavaScript and its ecosystem atrocious in many ways, but several browser tabs and Electron/WebView apps running just fine on an early 2010s PC I employ.

I don't see an XAML based C# .NET desktop app performing marginally better than an equivalent well-written Electron app either. In both cases, GPU takes care of the graphics rendering, JIT and GC do what they do, and you might be able to offload the pain points over to C++ through WebAssembly and P/Invoke or COM objects.

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by neonsunset »

obdev wrote: post #298
sedatk wrote: post #207

I love Windows 11. I'm sure some of my code still lives in Windows 11 from my days at Microsoft. But, the hasty and haphazard ways that some teams at Microsoft treat it sadden me. I specifically despise Microsoft Accounts being forced down our throats because, among all other things, they make certain workflows impossible. For instance, you can't schedule tasks to run as your user when you're not logged in[1]. It won…

How many browser tabs you have open right now? I find JavaScript and its ecosystem atrocious in many ways, but several browser tabs and Electron/WebView apps running just fine on an early 2010s PC I employ. I don't see an XAML based C# .NET desktop app performing marginally better than an equivalent well-written Electron app either. In both cases, GPU takes care of the graphics rendering, JIT and GC do what they do,…

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Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by machomaster »

Fizz43 wrote: post #251
drnick1 wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure why people are downvoting this. LLMs have made Linux far more accessible than before.

I highly doubt this. As someone who is pretty active in a lot of beginner linux communities its becoming the case that a lot issues are caused by users following LLM instructions and creating issues where there were none. Example someone will want to configure something and the LLM will give them advice from the wrong distro thats 5 years out of date. If they asked a person or looked on the fourms they'd have got wha…

> If they asked a person or looked on the fourms they'd have got what they wanted in a few mins.

Not minutes. In best case scenario it is hours, in worst it is years to infinity.

You are also not taking into account the survivorship bias. You only see people who couldn't fix their system with AI and need further help. But you are not seeing a huge number of beginners (recently a big influx of those), who were successful in fixing problems using AI the vast majority of time.

Nowadays, there is no good reason to use a simple Search engine to find solutions by manually browsing all the possible links. Just ask Phind/Perplexity/others to explain the problem, give the solution and provide verifiable links one can check to validate.

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